Thread: Is the honeymoon over?

Originally Posted by -A- spy

(3:53:34 AM) honeybadger.pleaseignore.com:
If you are camping goons into a station right now during a strat op formup you should probably reconsider this before I fuck you in the ass.


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(3:55:21 AM) honeybadger.pleaseignore.com:
Also stop camping the fucking gate between the stratop and umi you fucking retards.


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(4:07:28 AM) honeybadger.pleaseignore.com:
Lucian James and Securitas are officially open season for all PL, kill him them in any form you see them in, fuck these cocksuckers and their retarded shit.


Have a nice day.


#### SENT BY Grath Telkin to All online hbc @ 2012-10-31 04:07:27 EVE Time ####

We have a lot of CFC guys in here, is there dissension in the land of bees, lizard's and panda's? Inquiring minds want to know!

Originally Posted by CivilWars

This is probably the largest clusterfuck agreement in the CFC. I will try to explain as best I can.

Goons proper and TEST proper are blue (I think)
All other CFC and HBC are neut to each other
CFC can roam to TEST space, kill their pilots, etc, and vice versa
The only rules against that is to not camp stations or JBs, and not to prevent fleets from getting to strat ops.

On the night in question CFC had a large strat op in IRC space, which is about 15 gates from our front line. Some HBC douchers, even Grath and Shadoo dislike them, formed a camp about 4-5 jumps from the battle system, and were killing CFC reinforcements. CFC diplos talked to HBC diplos, and the douchers were dealt with. In the grand scheme of things it is NBD.

In other news, I hear your alliance is in the midst of a fail cascade. Looking to relocate?

Wow, Cluster-Fuck Coalition indeed. So it begins I guess. When PL, TEST, Goonies and all their little pets decide -A- isn't worth the trouble, they'll have to find someone else to beat up on. At least in the days of BoB and MM, you could count on the two biggest heavy weights to keep each other in check.

Now it looks more like the Empire vs. Rebel Alliance.

I guess that's why I personally will never voluntarily join a CFC alliance. If MVN is moved by Avi, then that's another matter. But its fun being the underdog. I was in IT for a while, and knew what it felt like to be the biggest and baddest. Now that -A- the favorite whipping boy of the CFC, it's actually a refreshing perspective. We're the ones blue balling and forcing people to spend all their EVE time camping stations and wasting their time on fights that will never happen on their time frame. While we spend our time logged in, yet playing other games like L4D, WoT, and BF3.

It's awesome.

Also, to my knowledge we aren't fail cascading. -A- has routinely been in this situation over many years. They always give up Sov easily because holding the Sov isn't what makes -A- tough to fight, its the ideal that you can't simply take away their "will" by killing a moon or taking a station. In effect, we're holding the bulk of the PL fleet down here by not fail cascading.

Now I can't speak for alliance leadership, and I hope we don't start to see corps leaving -A-, but this is really the most fun I've had in EVE in a long time. Lots of kills on our doorstep, and lots of PL/TEST rage in local.

Good stuff.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I'm sure someone like Ranger would love to lead a small gang of intrepid capsuleers behind enemy lines fucking shit up.

No need really. The kills are on our doorstep.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I am interested to see what happens IF the following were to happen. I don't really foresee this happening until the CFC completes its conquest of Vale, but let me hypothesize.

TEST/PL/HBC are supporting NC. in Geminate in their battle with Solar.

CFC has supported Solar because of their hatred for NC.

What happens if the CFC and the HBC both show up for a super-cap battle at the same time, but on opposite sides? With the top diplos both in constant contact I don't really see it happening, but would be interesting.

As for the "all blue" null sec I don't see it happening. I think once the CFC kicks out NC. in the north, and the HBC kicks out -A- in the south, neither will worry about the East so to speak.

Well, there is nothing the east that anyone cares about. The only reason -A- went there was to kill the absurd number of botters there.

As far as kicking -A- out of space, unless they can find a way to prevent people from living in NPC 0.0 stations, then that'll never happen. What WILL be interesting is to see if the war of attrition is something PL/TEST can keep up. Make no mistake, taking away -A-'s ability to fund its PVP will impact them. But only to a degree. There are simply too many easy ways to make ISK in the game to solely rely on moon goo.

Now, it will be interesting indeed to see what happens between TEST and Goons. If you look at it, the numbers TEST have are nearly identical to what IT had at the height of its power, and guess where they have moved? Delve. So to us old timers, TEST is the new IT. Whether that blue relationship last is a matter of personalities and how well those personalities work together. The only reason TEST ever had space when IT was around was because they were the little brother of Goons. If that alliance falls apart (and I bet it will eventually), then all of EVE will feel the ripple effect.

Imagine a TEST/PL/-A-/ ROL/Solar southern coalition against a Goons/Razor/NC./Ewok/IRC alliance in the north.

That would rewrite the history books. Doubt that would happen, but you see what I mean?

I've been around this game so long that all the old alliances are dead. These new alliance leaders think they've seen it all and these coalitions will last forever. It's all sand in the hour glass. It is highly likely that Goons and TEST will collapse under their own weight, reforming all the coalitions again. But we'll see.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

For sure something has to give. Many/most/all HBC and CFC members play for null sec PVP. If 75+% of null sec, at least sov null sec, is blue then where do you get that PVP from? You either fight the up and comers/down and outers in the crappy sov space, which is only fun for so long, or you reset the other big bad boys on the block. The third option, and the one I see as most likely, is the HBC having at least a semi-collapse of power.

They have brought in a bunch of alliances that may or may not truly have the same goals and ideals as TEST. What happens when PL has nobody to hot drop on because all of 0.0 is blue? Do they really just sit around and wait to be attacked? Doubtful. I could easily see some resets coming due to that.

As for -A- space, I meant they claimable sov space.

Exactly.

You see, this is how it starts. If you've conquered everyone around you, then what's left? Ego's enlarge, attitudes change, insults fly, and alliance leaders start believing their own propaganda departments. This is exactly what happened with IT. Sort Dragon and some of the other punk asses started to think they knew better what was going on.

IT failed without a shot fired.

Out of that, Raiden formed, Ewoks got some corps, -A- got a few. The same thing happened with MM. They used to be elite PVPers, then got fat and lazy and were wiped out. At any rate, the lines were redrawn and this is where we stand.

If it were me, I think -A- should go the way of PL. Nomadic, mercenary, elite PVP group of toons that can't really be defeated on a campaign level. -A- doesn't care about space. I don't know why they even drop TCU's. We never form up to defend them. All they care about is killing the fleet that comes to kill it with no regard to actually saving the TCU in the first place.