I'd like to apologize..

**chray00** · 01-30-12, 04:28 PM

I'd like the people who got teamkilled by my claymores on metro rush to apology for being dumb, sitting on them and waiting for the enemies to trigger em. Because of you, I ended up getting kicked for teamkills, and thus you owe me a mpv1 ribbon, fucktards.

**WickedSoN** · 01-30-12, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by maximusboomus

I should have prefaced the rare-ness more clearly heres a more indepth situation that I find acceptable (And not kill whoring).

Mmerritt and I along with Steggy and War are defending A on Karkand. Steggy and war have posted D side of the flag, Mmerritt and I have the back alley of A. Mmerrit spots a squad flanking and we head into the alley he wastes the first with his clip a second appears he pulls his pistol and empties it into the next 2 (Fucking rambo style), as he's reloading Tenrou pops out of the alley, I'm aware he's reloading BOTH weapons and only has C4 or Knife at his disposition (Both won't suffice) and I have a snap judgement to make, do I A ) Let Mmerritt reload and hope Tenrou doesn't kill us both leaving the back flank open to a squad bomb, B ) Kill Tenrou (and as a byproduct potentially Mmerritt (only to revive him instantly) therefore defending the teams flank or do I C ) Retreat to a side alley (2seconds away) to hopefully not get killed and be able to return fire upon the newly spawned squad.

I leave the judgement to you and I really do state I have maybe had to do this 2 times in my 100+ hrs of playtime, I chose the most efficient and team-beneficial route I deemed at that moment. Judge the situation as it appears not in hindsight.

EDIT: You mention blindsiding too which may pertain to this - although often I am in the front so I'm the one that gets blindsided.

Option B sounds like a better choice for the TEAM in my opinion. You can be damn sure if you lose that flank someone like Tenrou and his squad bomb are going to capitalize on the opening potentially costing your team the round. That is not an ITK, that is collateral damage (really its not if you revive him after clearing the lane)...

rare-ness? This happens to me all the time, I get tk'd at least twice a round when the server is full and all hell is breaking loose. Is it frustrating? yes! Does it pay off? sometimes! If the guy that just tk'd me on accident wastes the current threat and holds the line, then I'm ok with it. He says sorry, I say no worries.. move on.

**SmokenScion** · 01-30-12, 04:33 PM

So what your getting at is its okay to tk if I figure their reloading, or have no Situational awareness?

**Amador +JP2+** · 01-30-12, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by chray00

I'd like the people who got teamkilled by my claymores on metro rush to apology for being dumb, sitting on them and waiting for the enemies to trigger em. Because of you, I ended up getting kicked for teamkills, and thus you owe me a mpv1 ribbon, fucktards.

lol

I have to say that I haven't gotten a tk from any of my claymores ... here's hoping that doesn't happen! I'll have to keep an eye out for the friendlies that are squatting on claymores! ... and avoid them.

**maximusboomus** · 01-30-12, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

So what your getting at is its okay to tk if I figure their reloading, or have no Situational awareness?

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.

**SmokenScion** · 01-30-12, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by maximusboomus

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the individual.

So how would you evaluate whether someone is Teamkillable?

**Warprosper** · 01-30-12, 06:06 PM

Smoke,

You are missing the point. At no point in any of these discussions did anyone say they intentionally teamkill someone.

The point is that sometimes the risk of hitting a teammate is there no matter what. If in the heat of the moment you have to shoot someone about to arm an mcomm or spawn dudes out of their pockets then by all means shoot the guy. If you can, in your time frame analyze the entire situation and decide not to fire by all means do so but just know that you may lose a critical point and maybe even the round.

**SmokenScion** · 01-30-12, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

Smoke,

You are missing the point. At no point in any of these discussions did anyone say they intentionally teamkill someone.

The point is that sometimes the risk of hitting a teammate is there no matter what. If in the heat of the moment you have to shoot someone about to arm an mcomm or spawn dudes out of their pockets then by all means shoot the guy. If you can, in your time frame analyze the entire situation and decide not to fire by all means do so but just know that you may lose a critical point and maybe even the round.

Let me get this straight. If I have a shot, and a teammate is in the way I should take it?

**Mobi** · 01-30-12, 06:38 PM

theres should be no discussion in this if you have a teammate in the way trying to kill the same guy as you you should wait for a open shot... collateral damage to me can be avoidable... most of the maps in bf3 collateral damage is avoidable..... if we were playing in an open map like gulf and a guy pops me in the back of the head because he couldn't be patient to move around to get a good shot or not take the shot and stealing the kill there would be a huge problem...

theres like 4 maps tops that are close quarters even those have wide open areas where you can move around in and not try to tk your squad... and then theres also those people driving in apcs and run over there team mates and guess what they keep going... and laugh... do you think thats collateral damage also?... BF3 is not CoD let me remind you that... accidents happen but some careless tks should be watched...

**Alundil** · 01-30-12, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by RagunCajun

This game will make a TK'er out of the best of us. As was probably said already, it takes a keen understanding of the game to know and recognize the difference between intentional and accidental.

Accidental's happen to and by me frequently. I shrug them off or apologize depending on who got hit.

The most common method of TK (at least in my experience)m is a squaddie that spawns directly in front of me while I'm in a firefight.

Or those damnable and never sufficiently cursed rubber grenades.

This

Originally Posted by maximusboomus

Why is it always me that spawns on you to a barrage of bullets, death and maniacal southern laughing...

And LOL.

And Zoran, no worries. It happens.

Sent via highly charged bolt of electricity.