My initial take after 4.5 hours...

**enf** · 10-09-13, 08:43 AM

Finally got to sit down for a couple of hours last nite and play on a full server. The first few rounds were boring because some TPG clowns decided to be exclusive and make their squad private (SHAME!) and the rest of the team were a bunch of mutes... But once I was able to find some people with mics it was night and day as far as average lifespan, round points, and overall fun. There were a few bouts of single digit fps sluggishness (30-40 fps avg), but still bearable for now. I had a few too many instances of this happen when encountering enemies:

but que sera sera, Im enjoying the game too much to care if its fps lag, shoddy netcode, etc... Im sure it will be better with the final release.

**BrockSamson** · 10-09-13, 08:48 AM

Yeah same thing happened to me. They made their squad private and I can't join on them because it will do some goofy shit and kick people out of the squad and join them to a new one...I think? I see a bunch of [TPG] tags and I can't play with them... sigh...

**enf** · 10-09-13, 09:04 AM

If everyone hasn't already, make sure to change your settings to prevent creating a new squad when joining on a friend (Im not sure of the location of said setting tbh). That might have been the reason. Don't know why they would force other users to basically be kicked out of their squads to join a 2 man squad. I guess it also doesnt help that I didnt have any TPGers on my friends list of about 18 people.

Add me!
tr_enf

**slowmotionman** · 10-09-13, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

I initially thought BF4 was mostly BF3. I didn't plug my headset in for the first couple rounds I played. I wanted to get a feel for the game itself without the distraction of anyone chattering. Ok... it looks pretty like BF3. It plays ok albeit needing a pretty hefty machine to play at higher resolutions... But still basically BF3.

I came away from the initial play feeling like it was better, but couldn't put my finger on why. But it still played a bit "fast" for a "Battlefield" game.

I put my headset on and played some more, using voip (although nobody else did)... As a TPG game I thought it's going to take some serious adminning to keep people in check. Like BF3 there was still a ton of lone-wolf activities that we just didn't put up with in BF2. Again, I came away feeling the game was better, but still "fast". Too much "call of duty" and not enough "battlefield."

So I played again Sunday and managed to get in a squad with Dex, Nihi and Loki and voip was getting used... we were MOSTLY spawning green and coordinating our shit. There was still some lone-wolf stuff going on even with a mostly-TPG squad. I think it's just that we have been without a real TPG style game for so long that we just aren't used to it any more. We need to kick our own asses back into shape. That was the first night that I went "you know... this is feeling a lot more Battlefield now. I think this is going to work."

Last night I loaded up BF Vietnam and BF1942 and I retract the entire "too fast" statement. BF Vietnam had maps that felt the same. Spawn/rush/die... It was there too. And even 1942 was like that. Wake island, Aberdeen, battleaxe (holy crap battleaxe is a fast map). I was letting my MEMORY of what Battlefield was color my view of what it actually is.

Voip is there. It works out of the box. Commander is there, even if we haven't seen it yet. It really looks like they listened to the PC minority this time and gave us most of what we were bitching about with BC2 and BF3.

BF4 is, I believe, the first true Battlefield game since Battlefield 2 (or if you MUST, 2142...) I think we will be playing this for a looong long time. Especially if they can get some more optimization in the final release for CPU and GPU setups.

I'm sold. Point me in a direction to throw money...

I agree, the game does feel more like a cross between COD and BF3. The movements seem quicker than BF2. Takes some getting used to for me.

The use of rooftops seems to be really emphasized in the game and plays right into the lone wolf sniper mentality. The game is fun if you can get into a functioning squad, and the inclusion of VOIP might just end up making this version worthwhile. I need to get my mic hooked up.

I do dislike getting stuck on rubble and walls hope they get that fixed and what's with the land boats?

**BrockSamson** · 10-09-13, 10:50 AM

@slowmotionman

Lone wolfing on the roof-tops doesn't provide many points or value for the team unless you are using the PDL and marking ground/air assets and spotting. Sure there will be people exclusively sniping but if their goal is to get points and unlocks they are forced to be a vital part of a team.

I get the impression that BF4 points and unlocks were designed to force team play.

**Warprosper** · 10-09-13, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

So I played again Sunday and managed to get in a squad with Dex, Nihi and Loki and voip was getting used... we were MOSTLY spawning green and coordinating our shit. There was still some lone-wolf stuff going on even with a mostly-TPG squad. I think it's just that we have been without a real TPG style game for so long that we just aren't used to it any more. We need to kick our own asses back into shape. That was the first night that I went "you know... this is feeling a lot more Battlefield now. I think this is going to work."

You don't spawn green in my squad you get kicked from my squad. It's simple... People will eventually learn or leave.