Team Swithching

**w4jchosen** · 09-16-07, 10:51 PM

I played commander almost exclusively tonight (with the exception of one round) while I was on and my team was doing great when I jumped in the first time and we won a couple in a row and then lost by slim margins. Good battled all around. Then we got our butts handed to us twice in a row and what do you know

I started seeing people switch over to the other side. I'm not going to name names, but you know who you are. Stick with the hand you are dealt with. The tide always turns.

I know there have been multiple discussions about this, but enough is enough. You don't win every round and I like getting double points as much as the next person. I'll say it again, "Enough with the switching". Suck it up and start following commands.

One more little tidbit. When we were playing Dragon tonight and we lost refinery almost right off the bat and several flags out in the map. My squads fought hard and retook refinery and then one by one I started sending them out to recapture leaving one squad to defend refinery. By the end of the map we recaptured almost every flag with the exception of one and this happened because they listened. When commanding you see the whole battlefield and know where the enemy is moving. When you follow the commands of the commander you have a MUCH better chance of winning. My thanks to the SL's on that map. GREAT JOB! This is how it's done

**AndrewTheYahoo** · 09-16-07, 10:58 PM

Amen Chosen.

**Kelderos** · 09-16-07, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by w4jchosen

I played commander almost exclusively tonight (with the exception of one round) while I was on and my team was doing great when I jumped in the first time and we one a couple in a row and then lost by slim margins. Good battle all around. Then we got our butts handed to us twice in a row and what do you know

I started seeing people switch over to the other side. I'm not going to name names, but you know who you are. Stick with the hand you are dealt with. The tide always turns.

I know there have been multiple discussions about this, but enough is enough. You don't win every round and I like getting double points as much as the next person. I'll say it again, "Enough with the switching". Suck it up and start following commands.

One more little tidbit. When we were playing Dragon tonight and we lost refinery almost right off the bat and several flags out in the map. My squads fought hard and retook refinery and then one by one I started sending them out to recapture leaving one squad to defend refinery. By the end of the map we recaptured almost every flag with the exception of one and this happened because they listened. When commanding you see the whole battlefield and know where the enemy is moving. When you follow the commands of the commander you have a MUCH better chance of winning. My thanks to the SL's on that map. GREAT JOB! This is how it's done

Yeah again my team wouldn't spawn at Refinery and we got horribly overran By Your entire army. After that you Brutalized my squad at every turn on the map. We were the 6 Guys That were at Wood Yard (The rest of them were down somewhere near Vista Point) You also dropped a lot of artillary on me. I thought we were buddies? But after 10 arty strikes on me I see how it is.

Anyways Nice work on your part. :9

**w4jchosen** · 09-16-07, 11:20 PM

We are bud's. Too bad the commander view doesn't give enemy names over it or I would have spared you

**TheJeep1** · 09-17-07, 01:43 AM

Thanks for commanding when you did. The previous commander was absolutely horrible. I think he used the UAV about 4 times a round and he decided to run and gun at the same time.

But yep your right. I see it all the time. Sometimes it is no big loss when they switch. I usually don't want people like them in my squad anyway. And I certainly would not join one of theirs.

I've been spending mega hours on this server the past several weeks and I see two things. I see people who post in the forums often doing a lot of the switching. And then there are those who check out the teams before logging on and make sure they start on the better team.

But on another note it is not as bad as it was a few weeks ago, where literally the whole night was dominated by one team all night. Now it breaks even a lot and if one team is dominate it has only been lasting 4-6 rounds average. Then either new players logg on and don't switch. Or some of the better players see the teams are stacked and switch over to help.

**SwIfTjEzTa** · 09-17-07, 02:39 AM

It is sad when high ranking players like 2 three star generals that i know always switch when there is a hint that they might lose it pisses me off and i lose all respect for them. Ohh and it is not Trigger or Grandmaster. I called one of the 3 stars out on it tonight when he did it and of course that team one then when we were winning the next round guess what he came back to our side. I called it to I told Xavi and my squad and they all went lol.

**terminatoe0** · 09-17-07, 02:53 AM

The thing that gets me is when you get to a round where half the other team quits and nobody switches to even up the teams. I know it can be fun having a good ol' fashion massacre, but that usually drives the whole other team to quit. I guess I usually see this late at night when no regs are around though. It always seams to happen when you get to a northern strike level.

**BlueKhan** · 09-17-07, 03:22 AM

There is nothing more satisfying than getting your ass handed to you playing against a team that is stacked with point-whore team-switching talent for a round or two, then coming together as the underdog "team" and handing them theirs. Most of the time it just takes a bit of leadership, especially on TTP...most our here for the same reasons...People that change teams to always try to stay on the stacked team are not teamplayers should maybe be playing on a "point whore" server. I've almost exclusively moved to PR now as I find that with no ranking system...that is where the teamplayers are...

**WolverineBrother** · 09-17-07, 08:05 AM

There has been a lot of flaming back and forth about the team switcher issue. I personally don't believe in naming names unless you have absolute proof (screenshots perhaps) and it happens a lot.

Personally I experience crashes to desktop with alarming irregularity, and often change teams when I log back on as a result of that (but most of the time I end up on the weaker team as they have free slots).

Now some (maybe most I don't have accurate statistics) people say you should stick with the team the server puts you on, and I agree with that in principle. However, teamswitchers exist. There can be absolutely no doubt about that. And when enough experienced players who are more conserned with their W/L ratio than tight exciting battles switch to the winning side, one team ends up getting raped at every turn.

What follows is even more teamswitching and drop outs (face it, very few people have the bottle or patience to stick it out when loosing by 200 tickets every round). And that reduces the overall experience of playing here at TTP.

Now I have heard calls for more teamplay, sign up as commander, etc, etc, on the loosing team to turn it around. But when you have 5 regulars (non experienced squadleaders I might add, myself being one of those) and the rest are average non-teamplay chumps (seems to be an abundance of those on the weekends) on your team, that part aint so easy. Squadleaders are the keys here. An experienced squadleader can gel a squad together, give it direction and purpose, and enforce some discipline. An experienced squad member (like myself) cannot do those things (yet), and so cannot make the big difference.

I do think that to keep the game fresh and exiting for everyone, experienced squadleading regulars should take responibility and help the losing side out. Not in tight games, but when one side is repeatedly getting smoked by 150-200 tickets and is unable to keep even a single flag.

I doubt that new faces coming in and seeing these ridiculously stacked teams will become regulars.

Yesterday I was on the side that lost really bad a few rounds, seemed like my squad was the only one actually trying to cap and hold flags. Then the miracle happened. A big teamswitch effort to the losing team, and suddenly it was a close game. Now I am pretty sure that everyone except the W/L whores, had more fun after that.

And as an afterthought, how do you get a 3/1 W/L ratio? To me that seems like you either stack teams or switch when losing. Because at least at TTP it seems to go both ways resonably fairly. Any thoughts on this?

**CivilWars** · 09-17-07, 09:55 AM

I say if you want to call people out in the forums then do it. If you see someone switch ask them about it in-game, and in the forums if they frequent them.

There have been a few lengthy posts about this, and the only way it will get resolved is if people start saying, "I saw that stat whore CivilWars switch teams three times last night, and always to the winning team!"

Then I will either explain myself, or have no explaination and suffer whatever consequences that may carry.

Swift, and others, would you refuse to squad with an experienced regular if you knew they were a team switcher? If not then why complain? If so then let everyone know, and maybe if that player had to be a loner every round they might rethink their actions.

Just my opinion, and you should be able to tell by my W/L I am not one of the accused, but if you disagree call me out by name.