Thread: What is going on with TTP??? (a lack of teamplay and problems with the system)

Hi all, Some good comments but I feel some people might be missing the point. Let me clarify, as follows:

(1) This is not about team stacking;

(2) It isn't about great SL's being on one side or the other (the round I referred to, Rico and Drax were not around).

(3) It isn't just me moaning (as kawaltd750 also said)

(4) This is not about micro-management of the server...I will let our pal comrade Obama push through that legislation as part of the newly revised 'Socialist States of America' program.

My key issue is about a drop off in team play, notably a lack of interaction in squads. Now I have played with most of the regulars on TPP/TPG and aside from perhaps one guy (guess who?), I find you all pretty good and fun to play with. The level of comms varies at times but in general we all know what to do on which maps and help one another to succeed. More importantly, when I end up commanding (which is usually not because I like it but because we need it to win), SLs are attentive to orders and if not, they give me a reason why they can't. Yet, as I said, lately this has all gone out the window. I realize we have a lot of new faces/names on TPG and sadly most of them don't use a mic or even chat at all...which makes SLing and Commanding pretty difficult if not impossible at times. I have also been in squads where aside from the SL and me everyone seems to want to do their own thing, which is not teamplay at all.

Now Visuvius (who is a good SL and commander) is correct that the game does ebb and flow...but lately the ebbs have been notably downwards. I just feel that we should be doing more to educate the newbies joining the server about what 'teamplay' is about. This is after all why I like playing on the server, as it is fun to play with buds and especially to kill those you like!

Your thought on all this

Players need to spawn green and follow orders. SL's need to kick more and SL's need to follow commander's orders.

Originally Posted by draco7891

As for the technical issues, welcome to Battlefield. Technical faults of all kinds are the status quo for this game, and always have been.

As for the rest, it's not a lack of teamplay, it's a lack of communication. The admins are not clairvoyant. If you say nothing about a recurrent problem in game, like squad leaders not obeying orders, then don't expect any help in fixing the problem. Bringing it to the forums after the fact doesn't help either, because by then the problem players have long since disconnected and left. I know kawalt didn't ask for an admin's attention, there's nothing in the logs from him for 2 weeks. I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and say that Ark didn't ask for an admin either.

If you have a problem, bring it up right then and there, in all-chat (and maybe in nice big capital letters). The longer you let it sit unattended, the worse and worse it'll get.

Draco

+1 for draco...

but also those guys who think your a rat saying stuff like..."So what are they going to do about it" thats where admins definately need to see someone doesn't want to follow server rules... Take screenshots of those comments post them on admin attention that would make them want to beg for an unban and make them look really guilty for disobey teamwork rules

Originally Posted by Sfrichck

Ok i was on the chinese side last night during this wake round.... I would like to point out that no Drax and rico were not on the chinese side... they werent even online i believe that round. And rico was in fact on your side previous rounds. There were a few regs on chinese side, myself, loki, gmg, superbad, pepsi just to name a few but there wasnt any stacking. The first game of wake was fine, it was fun. The second game on wake it seemed that everyone on the US side just stopped working together, I sat at south abse whole time and ate my dinner. the next map it seemed there was more of the same. After that i logged.

Well I'm pretty sure Clean Sweep was the map before Wake. If not, my mistake. At the end of the second round of Clean Sweep, Drax , Rico and GMG I know were on the US side, as were JPCarey (mouseandkeyboard), Quasi_Evil, cityboy and EvilSmileyFace. They would have been on the PLA side at the beginning of Round 1 of Wake Island. Whether they actually stayed for the map or not, I don't know. It was just an educated guess. Regardless, my point wasn't about team stacking...it's just a fact that when one team has the best air players and the best squad leaders, the other team is going to get its butt kicked - period. If you don't have quality squad leaders to get the players to do what they need to do it's not going to make one damn bit of difference what the commander does.

What I noticed was the you had a squad leader in a jet and all he wanted to do was bomb airfield. Never once did he bail out on a flag anywhere. It was a bad situation and I have been there many times before. I think it was a combination of good defense and self ego pilots on the side.

Yes, I know...I kept asking the individual to jump out of the jet and onto a flag but with no response. I also asked others to allow SL's to take one of the jets and do the same thing...with the same result...it didn't happen.

And for clarity, as far as I know JPCarey, Rico, etc left after Clean Sweep....if JPCarey was on our side in the jet we wouldn't have had these problems. Moreover, I know JP would have given up the jet to an SL for a jump on a flag, as he often does this to help the team win. Sadly when you only have two SL's bothering to communicate (and those two SL's were trying, especially one who had young voice and kept trying in a boat to reach Wake!) it is pretty darn useless.

Now last night I played for a bit (until the server crapped out on Great Wall) and the teamplay was much improved at times. That said, I heard complaints from SL's that the commanders didn't communicate at all to them. My own personal view is that if you don't have a mic then you shouldn't command or SL...but that's just my opinion.

Hopefully tonight will be good...

Hey ark thanks for the kind remarks but even if I was on your side in a jet it still takes a lot of team work and strategy to win on US side wake. It just seems that so many players will follow the cow in front of them over the cliff on that map. Basically continually spawning at the little island when the choppers raping it or flying the blackhawk straight up the gut over and over. Honestly when you start to get fed up with the lack of team play you gotta step up and create a squad,invite some noobs,tell the bitches to hold spawn, grab a jet and bail the F*** out. If they don't listen take them to the iron maiden A.K.A. admin. If Visuvius was on your team he would have made it happen.