BF3 Report Problem Players Thread

**schmobs** · 04-20-13, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by cornfuse

I would be disappointed if there is a rule like this in existence/development on the TPG BF3 server. If there is, I'd like to ask for an admin response via this thread (or another thread if this one gets too off topic) or a PM on the exact legality of EOD bot use on the TPG server. I would like to continue the use of the bot on this server, but if it is deemed to be against the rules, I will oblige.

Hell if EODs get banned or discouraged, the same should apply on all sniper kits, no matter if they push objectives or not, because the have the potential not to push those objectives with weapons that can be used from a distance.

Originally Posted by Tenrou

TPG rule since inception PUSH THE OBJECTIVE OR DIE TRYING.

Tenrou, I believe your argument is fundamentally flawed. The rule shouldn't be "PUSH THE OBJECTIVE OR DIE TRYING" it should simply be "PUSH THE OBJECTIVE", because if everyone died trying the team/squad would never get any closer to the objective. Now, with that in mind, we can debate the definition of said rule all you like.

My 2¢...

Schmo

**cornfuse** · 04-20-13, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Tenrou

For someone who has played here as long you. TPG rule since inception PUSH THE OBJECTIVE OR DIE TRYING. Your EOD bot cannot cap a point or help turn a point to your team. Your team had ONE flag and be the end had ZERO FLAGS and was being spawn camped. It's the same thing as recon sitting in base saying he's helping the team by killing and spotting mean while his team is getting it ass handed to them. As I said above your team is holding the majority of flags do what ever makes you happy. The fact is your team was in no position to afford anyone not trying to get boots on the ground to cap a flag for an alt spawn location.

Also most these so called benefits can be done outside an EOD bot except not losing 1 ticket (from a complete death). Yet like I said in this post the most important thing can't be done from an EOD bot help turn a flag to your teams favor that being contested.

“Push the objective of die trying”, while I strongly agree with at the team scale, is essentially the antithesis of teamwork with regards to the individual. Teams that have every single person doing the exact same thing usually lose unless they are flat out more skilled than the other team. I have seen plenty of teams fail because they panicked when they got down to one flag. Everybody decides to rush to the nearest flag, and what happens? The enemy is just waiting for it. They mow down the entire rush and counter-rush the other team's flag. Cap out. Game over.

Support roles are necessary to facilitate controlled rushes on enemy flags. This is much more effective and much more teamwork-oriented then having everybody blindly rush ahead into the mist. And just because somebody is playing a support role and not personally “push(ing) the objective” does not mean that they are not being a team-player. They are attempting to make life easier for the boots up front, and as a guy who has played the latter role plenty of times, having the right guys backing you up means the world. You need the right amount of people fulfilling the right types of roles in order for your team to have its best chance of succeeding, and limiting the definition of teamwork to be inclusive of only the front line roles is dishonest at best.

I want to make it clear that I am not excusing people who do simply sit back because they could care less about the rest of the team. Those people do exist. But to punish the ones who are playing behind the lines with the genuine intention of trying to help their fellow teammates seems preposterous.

Short note: Of course plenty of the benefits can be found outside of the bot. You can say that about every tool available in the game. But the specific combination of benefits is what makes each item unique and valuable.

**SourceSkills** · 04-20-13, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by schmobs

Hell if EODs get banned or discouraged, the same should apply on all sniper kits, no matter if they push objectives or not, because the have the potential not to push those objectives with weapons that can be used from a distance.

Tenrou, I believe your argument is fundamentally flawed. The rule shouldn't be "PUSH THE OBJECTIVE OR DIE TRYING" it should simply be "PUSH THE OBJECTIVE", because if everyone died trying the team/squad would never get any closer to the objective. Now, with that in mind, we can debate the definition of said rule all you like.

My 2¢...

Schmo

I am going to have to agree with Tenrou for once. I am sorry but I simply cannot see the difference between the two versions of that rule lol. I also can see why the sniper kit may bare a resemblance to the EOD bot tactic but at least a sniper can be beneficial to your team by bypassing the other teams lines for flag captures via the beacon. Not only that but strap on a PDW or a shotgun to that sniper and he is instantly an effective front line soldier. An EOD bot still has no value on the ground next to a flag you don't have. You need boots on the ground and all the things an EOD bot does can be easily replicated by the same kit you run with to get the EOD bot. I do it all the time and it is very effective.

If your team is doing poorly there is no excuse to keep using the EOD bot. And for all those will undoubtedly ask this question. Am I mad that I have been killed by the stupid thing multiple times? Yes and who wouldn't be but that doesn't matter. What matters is the team and you do nothing but helping your own KDR when this situation occurs and believe me this wasn't the first time this has happened.

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