Thread: Please read and understand....

The Problem with Teamswap on our servers:



By Kraker Jak



Something new has been sweeping across the Texas Team player atmosphere, and this amazing new tool is called Team Swap. At first, it seemed like a good idea. Swap the teams up, let everyone have a chance to play on both sides of the map. The only problem is, there is more bad things to this detriment of team play than was first seen. Let's take a look at the not so good side of Team Swap.


Some might think, that “team swap” evens up the teams, makes things fair and balanced. Like, for instance, let's say that the CT's are raping on a certain map, and then they are switched to, what some of you call "The hard Side." yea! Let's see how they like it! Or vice versa, The T's are raping, and then are switched to the CT side; see how they like it right?

WRONG

This is not how it play's out. If a team of 10-11 players is raping, they are going to continue to be the dominate force. The side of the map does not determine the difficulty. The team/players do. For example, we all know that Aztec is a HARD ass time on T to get wins. But, if you had a team stacked with great players, it doesn’t matter how hard the CT’s try, they are going to loose.

Now lets say team swap is implemented to this scenario. The score is 11-5 T’s have been raping the last 8 rounds. They have won 8 in a row. Now, the vote comes up for team swap. Guess what is going to happen. They are going to go to CT and Rape even more. Let’s say they win the next 9 rounds in a row. Now you have a team that has won 17 rounds in a row, but it doesn’t show that, because the scores do not follow THE TEAMS. So you have 10-11 players who have lost 17 rounds in a row. People start to leave/rage what have you.

But Kraker, This is the admins job to balance the teams!!

Shit, you are right. Uh oh, ANOTHER PROBLEM! How is an admin who just came in the game going to know that the 10-11 players on a certain team just won 17 rounds in a row? That’s not what the score says. Now, the score says CT’s 14, T’s 11. I wouldn’t move people at this point, they are only up by 4, so the score says. But now, what are the teams fighting for anymore? Individual round win, or over all map wins?

Which brings me to the next problem with team swap.
The overall map win doesn’t matter anymore. I know, on a TTP server the over all map win doesn’t matter? What happened to team play? It is individual round play now. The “TEAM” has been taken away.

Ask anyone here, how many times I have fought back to come back from behind to win a round on pira…Oh lord, I love pira. I can recall plenty of times, where the CT’s were dominating, just straight up running over the T’s. Let’s say the score is 9-1 CT’s. Finally, we win another round, get some money and momentum. Hell yea, all of a sudden its 9-4, then 9-6, then 11-7. Map vote time…….

The way it used to be, we would vote to extend the map. Give us some extra time to get the overall map win. I would push my team…it would come down to the last 3 minuets…the last round, score is tied 16-16….Bomb blows with 1 second left on the defuse, T’S WIN!!! WHAT A VICTORY!!! WOW GREAT COMBACK!!!

That is how it used to be, now, it gets extended with Team Swap. The loosing T’s take over on CT with 11 wins now, and the Winning CT’s take over T with 7 wins. All the hard work the original CT team put in to win those 11 wins, is now taken away. All the effort in the last 15 minuets until map vote to get the score closer, doesn’t matter anymore to the original T team. So the teams get swapped, now who wins the map?

But kraker, People can just do the math in their head, add up the wins and move the numbers themselves….

Sure, because when I am playing, the last thing I want to think about is adding up round wins and remembering that. It’s so much easier to hit TAB and see how far you are ahead, or behind.

So, I beg you, please reconsider this option on our servers. Take it away, because as you can see, it has taken away a big part of TEAMplay from us. Give us back the glory of winning a WAR, not just the battles.

I like it not because it balances, but because it is interesting to switch up which side you are playing one, one side gets boring after awhile

Originally Posted by Fajita!

I like it not because it balances, but because it is interesting to switch up which side you are playing one, one side gets boring after awhile

Understood, completely. But at the cost of Team Play?

in what way is it reducing teamplay?

the only problem i see with it is the score not switching and the admin have a little trouble handling hte teams but i would think the admin would be able to see the team destroying the other with little resistance would figure it out.

Originally Posted by THATriggerHappy

in what way is it reducing teamplay?

Did you not even read what I posted?

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

But now, what are the teams fighting for anymore? Individual round win, or over all map wins?

Which brings me to the next problem with team swap.
The overall map win doesn’t matter anymore. I know, on a TTP server the over all map win doesn’t matter? What happened to team play? It is individual round play now. The “TEAM” has been taken away.

Ask anyone here, how many times I have fought back to come back from behind to win a round on pira…Oh lord, I love pira. I can recall plenty of times, where the CT’s were dominating, just straight up running over the T’s. Let’s say the score is 9-1 CT’s. Finally, we win another round, get some money and momentum. Hell yea, all of a sudden its 9-4, then 9-6, then 11-7. Map vote time…….

The way it used to be, we would vote to extend the map. Give us some extra time to get the overall map win. I would push my team…it would come down to the last 3 minuets…the last round, score is tied 16-16….Bomb blows with 1 second left on the defuse, T’S WIN!!! WHAT A VICTORY!!! WOW GREAT COMBACK!!!

That is how it used to be, now, it gets extended with Team Swap. The loosing T’s take over on CT with 11 wins now, and the Winning CT’s take over T with 7 wins. All the hard work the original CT team put in to win those 11 wins, is now taken away. All the effort in the last 15 minuets until map vote to get the score closer, doesn’t matter anymore to the original T team. So the teams get swapped, now who wins the map?

i dont see how that quote is taking away from team play. knowing the score has nothing to do with teamplay. Play to win the current round. But i understand how it could be annoying

on a side note i have sometimes seen the score switch with teams on the D2 server. Then randomly switch back and i was wondering was someone trying to get the scores to switch or was that like a glitch or something?

lol i never knew u siged me i like it

Agreed kraker...recently I have done my best not to complain about awps or autos, but when the CT's have 20, and T's have 10, then the team gets swapped...the team the was previously dominating now get's to awp because "they are down by 10"


like I said, I don't care if they awp, unless it gets out of control, but that is a fucking dick move to do that shit.

Originally Posted by Cyanide

I can see both sides. I like the Team Swap feature, but Kraker made some really good points. (so did bust)

Im honestly on the fence about it, even though I do like the switch cause CT side Pira gets REALLLYYYY annoying after a while.

But what we need to think about, is what does it Help? Is it benifitial? Or detramental?


This is what I did, and realized it does more bad than good. So IMO it needs to go