FPS With the Least Annoying Snipers

**Blakeman** · 03-25-11, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Bunni

huh, so what... everyone running around spraying with LMG's... ya that seems like fun....

Balance is the fact that the one-hit-kill snipers, are bolts, meaning no missing prime shots.

I dont want to get into a gameplay argument, but I would not want to play a game that did not reward accuracy (aka the "skill curve")... or at least the ability to aim.

This all goes back to the ability to dodge, which doesn't just include eradic movement, but also tactical maneuvers. You need to avoid putting yourself in a position where your taking sniper fire with no cover. The only time a game is imbalanced is when the game does not provide the players a means todo this (avoid putting themselves in a position where they are taking sniper fire with no cover).

No offense guys, but you sound like advocates for the BFG with autoaiming, and heat seeking sharks with laser beams. Where any noob (who literally just installed the game) can join in and rape even the most seasoned players. .... I don't want to play a game like that, its why i stopped playing CSS, getting shot by people who clearly fit the aforementioned category is beyond aggravating.

THERE HAS TO BE a skill curve to a game, snipers are usually a crucial part of that curve (because, aiming after all, fits every form of the definition of the word "skill"), overwise you get games like COD WAW (snipers were nerfed hard). Boy that was fun, newly installs (lets call them literal newbs) coming in with tommy-guns and extended clips, literally BF2 bunny hopping raping everyone, even seasoned regs (who had the decency to use a gun that required aiming). Seriously go play COD WAW (or go reinstall if you already played it) and get a taste of the pure pain that is a game with no skill curve.

fyi posting this at the end of my 32 hour rotation, god knows how many logical fallacies are in here...

Skill curve is fine and I don't want a spammy game with LMGs or shotties or just spam weapons ruling the day, my argument is more against moving the snipers and LMGs to the spammy weapons category.

Maybe it is because I like a little more realism, maybe it is because I see a lot of balance in the spammy games, but either way a sniper that doesn't have to settle, brace or at least wait a second or two after moving to shoot is not right in my book. LMGs are in the same boat in my opinion as well, Ive shot a PKM, M249 and several other belt feds and you really cant hit much beyond about 50 feet with any amount of accuracy unless you brace yourself against something, go prone or shoot really really slowly.

Ive shot man sized targets at 500 yards with irons too and you don't make a dive and roll then get a head shot. It might be ok in a more sci fi game where there is tech that makes up for the fact that humans can't do that, but in games where they are supposed to be rather normal humans it is fairly retarded.

Anyway bun bun, my argument isn't against a snipers skill and using dodging to dodge, more about how some games see to leave the realm of realism so far that they might as well be pokemon avatars firing instead of humans. I love dodging and it does work, both in reality and in video games. Predictable movement is the bane of an infantryman against ambush and sniping and should always be, so long as the sniper can't barrel roll out from behind buildings and get head shots.

I've only had one cup of coffee, so I may be rambling too....

**naerok** · 03-25-11, 08:24 AM

I have to say... I've been playing a lot of fps games mainly 1.5. cs / 1.6 cs and css and played Leagues / Lans / Major Tournaments. Snipers are going to be everywhere that's where the players(you) skill comes involved. try learning thing to do against a sniper depending on the game your playing use smoke grenades, flashes, run zig zags, out aim the sniper, use your sound to advantage, use a 6th sense on knowing where the sniper is set up and do a quick peek and head shot him(when I mean 6th sense I mean where most snipers play or hes gone there every round) and im sure there are videos for you to watch on how to beat snipers.

**Glitch** · 03-25-11, 08:24 AM

Games you want to play are realist ones, with bullet drop and flight time. Too many games are point and click. That is the game manufacture catering to the lowest common denominator. It is more about the player's mentality than anything else. People tend to migrate to the over powered weapon in any given game, and complain about any particular weapon that kills them that they happen to not use. Listening to people complain about being killed with anti tank weapons in BF2 was hilarious. slowest moving, lowest rate of fire, lowest ammo count sniper weapon ever, yet they couldn't figure out how to not be killed by it so much they had to resort to complaining.

Playing SOCOM4 beta the run and gunners are bitching about people camping. Ummm... they are defending the objective. Team A starts with a bomb planted, team B has to disarm it. WTF are they supposed to do? Just running into the room with a spray and pray didn't work again? hmmm maybe you should do something different.

SURE most games have some combination that is over powered. It sure ain't always snipers.

(personally I think the devs should track on line stats of weapons. If one is getting too good or too bad kdr then they should adjust its reload rate or rate of fire or delay in settling the cross hairs down, by tiny, tiny increments in the direction needed and watch for a change in the results before undoing or making further adjustments. Too often they make huge sweeping changes that go beyond making the gun in line and instead moving it too far in the other direction that no one uses it anymore.

**Beige Lantern** · 03-25-11, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by sickwookie

...in many games it only takes one try hard to start pwning faces with a sniper rifle, and everyone else is forced to play the sniper game or leave.

+1

So of the currently supported TPG games, which one (other than TF2 and MNC) would you say has the least frustrating snipers?

**judedeath** · 03-25-11, 09:52 AM

Whichever one Bunni isn't playing, but seriously even though BC2 has bullet travel time and bullet drop, it's snipers are quite bad.

**Alundil** · 03-25-11, 09:55 AM

lol

Such a loaded question hehe

I've been known to seriously piss people off in 2142 and I've been called hack and aimbot on several occasions in BC2 now.
Used to get it all the time in the original team fortress too.

**ElFuriosoGato** · 03-25-11, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Non Sequitur Persona

+1

So of the currently supported TPG games, which one (other than TF2 and MNC) would you say has the least frustrating snipers?

BF2

**SmokenScion** · 03-25-11, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by ElFuriosoGato

BF2

agreed, and Project Reality.

**WaterDumple** · 03-25-11, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Bunni

huh, so what... everyone running around spraying with LMG's... ya that seems like fun....

If a game attempts to portray LMGs as anything you ever run and spray with at the same time, it's already broken let alone however it treats sniper rifles. Ideally, LMGs should be horribly inaccurate hipfiring/moving with the only advantage being the chain size, but then become the most precision-based and accurate type of fully automatic weapon when time is taken to stabilize them and get in a firing position. Otherwise LMGs just become awkward assault rifles that can fire for a longer duration before needing to do a lengthier reload, which is boring as hell and not even worth putting in the game if they can't be any different.

Everything you've said defends sniper rifles fine, but at least in reference to the LMG comment, you don't understand the competition. And I really think LMGs should be able to compete with sniper rifles when used correctly, where it's not as much about how well you can twitch or aim in general--But where you win fights because for the entire duration of your life since spawn you've been strategically planning how to use the weapon correctly and working to put yourself in a setting in which it will be effective. This is the problem with Call of Duty; I can put myself in the perfect spot to lay down an area denial zone in a populated area, full chain, aiming down sights, accuracy as high as it can go, ready to fire, and a guy literally jumps four feet high around a corner some distance away, and kills me instantly spraying from the hip in midair with a generic assault rifle.

This is one reason I'm excited for Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad and to some degree Battlefield 3. Apparently you can set up an LMG's stand on anything, and the barrel can even overheat and need to be replaced if used abusively in Red Orchestra 2. Should make them really unique to use.

**Watsyurdeal?** · 03-25-11, 06:54 PM

I would say MNC and BFBC2 has the least frustration with snipers. MNC because you don't see them often and if you do, they're pretty weak, and BFBC2 has bullet frop and a whole bunch of other things to make sniping a lot harder than it is in other shooters. If you someone kills you with a rifle in BC2, you feel like they really worked for that kill. Unlike say......CoD.