Thread: Steam Spyware

Originally Posted by judedeath

Guyver you can buy games from steam online without having to install steam.

Even if you can purchase without an install, which I don't think you can....how would you play it?

Also....since you're telling us to stay on topic, where's your proof that Steam is spyware? How is Steam any different from Onlive or Origin? Once again, I'm on topic....Origin & Onlive do the same thing.

Origin required to play Battlefield 3 - Battlefield 3

Guyver, only BF3 from what I've seen REQUIRES Origin, I have other games from Origin (like 2142) and I've played them without Origin even being installed.

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

lol agreed guyver. It does

The point is my little sweet caring angel guyver is that no where before you purchase a game thru steam does it notify you that you are FORCED to use it`s application to play the game that is purchased thus looking to some like spyware.

I actually like steam and given a choice would gladly use it with all games but thats not the issue . The topic is regarding the NO option to choose thats all brotha .

Just because I like steam doesn`t mean I must force others to use it . I feel steam`s application is cool and given a option to use many will gladly use it but for those who don`t like the application I feel a option should be made to not force the software to customers that are purchasing games thru steam.

You have a funny way of showing that you like something. What exactly do you think Steam is doing to your PC?

Originally Posted by judedeath

Guyver, only BF3 from what I've seen REQUIRES Origin, I have other games from Origin (like 2142) and I've played them without Origin even being installed.

You're missing my point...

2142 likely doesn't require Origin, because of it's age. What I'm trying to deduce is why Morb has a problem with Steam, but when Origin or Onlive are brought up...because, they function just like Steam...he brushes them aside, with the reasoning that it's off topic.

lol ok cuddle bear the point is that let me repeat myself steam does not notify you that it`s application must run when playing a game thats purchased thru steam . Is that simple enough for you cuddle bear? Thus may APPEAR to act like spyware to some that did not expect to be FORCED to use software after the fact of purchasing the product.

I`m sure it is in fine print somewhere my point is wouldn`t it better to be a option not a requirement.

Originally Posted by Guyver

You're missing my point...

2142 likely doesn't require Origin, because of it's age. What I'm trying to deduce is why Morb has a problem with Steam, but when Origin or Onlive are brought up...because, they function just like Steam...he brushes them aside, with the reasoning that it's off topic.

Guyver there are games on steam that are just as old but you still need to use Steam, and Origin only needs to be running for BF3 so you are wrong about how it works. And as Onlive is just a streaming service it obviously need to be logged in and running as you don't actually have the game downloaded installed and running on your machine like you do with Steam.

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

So yea it`s easy to be popular when you force users to use your application.Fact is the only way steam can get people to use thier app. is to discount games. Truth is if steam sold games that didn`t force people to use thier application than it would never be used.

The only thing Steam has going for it and it`s spy ware forced application is the free to play games and prices that sometimes competes against amazon.com but rarely.

I mean really I buy a game from you so Im infected with your software everytime I want to play that game .Now how cheap is that.

Sure I love to buy games from you but wtf is up with having to use your software to run the games .Screw that no one will make me use software I dont want to use .
Now if Steam was a option and not a forced spyware application that I must use if I spend money on full games I honestly might consider it a damn good communication tool but it is force ware,spy ware at best and is not a comsumers decision at this time.
Personal note to steam


Make your software optional ,not viral .Clean your finger tips because your prices arent that good.

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

Name 1 game you paid full price for thru steam that doesn`t require you run thier application.
If you are paying full price for a game why must you use thier application? It`s our game ,our choice wtf

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

Steam is a store yes but the only one that forces you to use thier software .Would be one thing to have the option but no they force you.

I dont know anything about origin and onlive .You brought them up not me.
Stay on topic

Question stands name one game you pay full price for in steam that doesn`t require you run steam.

Require thats the point stop redirecting the issue.

No where does steam state to it`s customers that it`s application is required to run along side all purchased games via it`s store.

A purchase is a purchase and any extra software should be the customers decision to use.

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

who the hell is talking about onlive and origin why you keep bringing them up ,I`m lost guyver Please stay on topic


Sure but do they notify you that it is required you use thier application while playing any game that you payed for thru thier store?

No ,My point it should be stated and also be a option to customers that pay for games thru steams store .

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

Name 1 game that you can purchase thru steam that doesn`t require steam to play it .Also show me where steam notifies you that it`s application must be used to play any game purchased thru steam.


Nuff said, Alot of people including myself did not know we were forced to use steams software to run games we paid full price for thru thier store.

Why not notify users in the advertisement before purchasing such games?

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

Who is talking about origin stop redirecting the topic. Stay on topic.

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

show me where it says that you must use steam to play the game

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

look home boy the strongest game you had was the old drunk crap ,be gone. Instead of a conversation you decided to insult me.

Sad but hey thats your thing ,your rage but if you suspect anything else make your own topic and stop spamming mine.

If you want to reply to this topic stay on topic ty

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

lol agreed guyver. It does

The point is my little sweet caring angel guyver is that no where before you purchase a game thru steam does it notify you that you are FORCED to use it`s application to play the game that is purchased thus looking to some like spyware.

I actually like steam and given a choice would gladly use it with all games but thats not the issue . The topic is regarding the NO option to choose thats all brotha .

Just because I like steam doesn`t mean I must force others to use it . I feel steam`s application is cool and given a option to use many will gladly use it but for those who don`t like the application I feel a option should be made to not force the software to customers that are purchasing games thru steam.

Instead of FORCEWARE make it trustware. Steam rules and believe me I love it but my complaint is the issue I posted here thats all .

Originally Posted by Morbx Core

lol ok cuddle bear the point is that let me repeat myself steam does not notify you that it`s application must run when playing a game thats purchased thru steam . Is that simple enough for you cuddle bear? Thus may APPEAR to act like spyware to some that did not expect to be FORCED to use software after the fact of purchasing the product.

Morb, before giving you all that you want here, I am going to go full out and say how disappointing it is that you are stating your OPINION in this manner, being very rude and disrespectful of the other users on this forum.

Lets start with what Spyware is. Spyware is something that infects your computer against your will. Infection from software is not possible if you are fully aware of what you are installing (no other software or functions are hidden), and Steam is that. They notify you of all of Steams actions, nothing is hidden. Further, Spyware steals your personal information for the monetary gain of another entity. Steam does not do this in any fashion. If you are giving Steam your information, you are FULLY aware of it, and are consenting to it. Nothing is stolen from you.

Steams' Sales are no basis to judge the legality and use of Steam. That is purely business, and you are free to purchase the games from wherever you damn-well please. I have seen very few games require Steam installed to run, and those are Valve games, the company and developer who develops Steam.

Steam in fact does inform you before EVERY SINGLE PURCHASE YOU WILL EVER MAKE on the service that any subscriptions (see: games) you purchase on their service will require that the Steam Desktop Client must be installed to play the purchased subscription. Go to Steam, and add a game to your cart, and go to checkout. You will be met with the following text under the list of items in your cart, and above the "Purchase" buttons:

All digital goods are delivered via the Steam desktop application.

Steam and your games will be available for download at the end of the purchase.

So no, there is not a single digital distribution game on Steam that you can purchase and not be required to use the Steam desktop application.

Now, before you go spouting off on my next few paragraphs, note the the first sentence of the third reply I quoted above. You are stating, as a fact, that Steam is the ONLY service that requires the installation of their desktop client to access your subscriptions.

This is a flat out lie and fabrication on your part.

Origin for a fact requires the installation and active use of the Origin client for Battlefield 3, and Onlive is the same for its subscriptions as well (regardless of streaming or not). You can not use your cop-out of "this is about steam not _____". Again, with the first sentence of the third quoted reply above, you state Steam is the only one that does this. This inherently brings up any other service of digital distribution.

So where are we?

• Steam is not spyware
• Steam in fact does inform you of its required use of the desktop client
• Steam is not the only service to require the use of its client

Steam is one of the most trusted digital distribution platforms on the market to date, and it does not force you to install it.

You can now stop insulting everyone who is trying to be rational about this conversation. Guyver and the others were not intentionally insulting you, and I am inclined to agree that this seems to be a drunken rage. You are spamming and spewing nonsense, and actively attempting to goad other forum members into confrontation.

This thread is now done and locked. I will advise you to not pursue this particular topic again if you are going to keep the same attitude and conduct, Morbx Core.