Thread: CS:S flanking problem

The thing here is that all the people who were banned for watching the flank DIDN'T ask if they could watch the flank, I have seen people ask on multiple occaisions if they can and usually its not a problem when they ask, however the people who end up banned are the ones who don't ask and then when they are asked/told to follow their team they bitch and complain and back talk thus earning them their ban. It is the admins discretion to ban or kick people as he/she sees fit, if it is abuse then the banned person will bring it the forum and it will be dealt with accordingly.

Watching a flank is NOT promoting team play unless it is asked to be done, It only makes it that 2 people instead of throwing grenades/smokes/flashes are sitting back selling out the rest of their team. You're right on d2 going tunnels is needed and 99% of the time the shot caller says hey first 2 people go lower tuns to watch the rotators.

lets say for example on piranesi the call is rush B, Give me 1 good reason why we need 2 people watching b courtyard when they could just be pushing into upper while the front of the pack is in the site planting the bomb. D2 is an easy map and the ONLY time u need people camping there is either to watch long or go into lower b tuns, other than that it's pointless.

I havent seen you play in quite a while not that it matters, but i feel if you played more often (and if u do maybe you're playing under another name that i dont recognize) you would see the problem with this and you would also see that the shot callers will call for people to watch the flank if needed. I see no point in ammending the rules to make the game easier for people who want to camp. If it's not broken don't fix it.


Why should we ammend the rules so the game is easier for lazy stat padders and awp whores to sell out their teammates and not be of any help, this rule if it was put into affect would add to much more work for the admins and would make it worse for the regs who understand we dont need to watch for a flank most of the time.

Another thing id like to add is you say the admins should ease up on the banning of people watching the flank unless its to many people...How about the admins would much rather play the game instead of having to stop helping their team to focus on problem players and only ban certain ones who are not doing what they are supossed to. The admins need things to be quick so that they can get back to playing the game the way it should be without having to stop all the time because of some new rule that states 2 people can watch the flank.

In summation, what i gather from this is the new rule would state that 2 people can watch the flank and admins can only ban other people who dont follow the rule, So lets say 2 people are following the rule and then 2 more people are not and the team is rushing in and then they bitch and complain to the admin who then has to stop doing what he/she is doing to find out who is not following the call thus making it 5 people not rushing (if the admin happens to be trying to figure out whats going on) and if the entire team only has 10players then you lost half your team on a rush. You only have 4 days total connect time and your last connect was the end of july, i dont see how you can want to make a new rule when have hardly played long enough to understand what your rule would do to the servers.

Stealthy summed it up pretty well. What we tend to notice is the same people want to watch the flank every time. It's not because they want to help the team, it's because they want more easy kills. And that's it.

As far as the Dust2 example, there is no reason for anybody to cover lower on a B rush unless the counter calls somebody going lower. We tend to see type of people going lower all the time, whether somebody is called going lower or not, and they are the same people that are NEVER towards the front of a rush. They never put their own life on the line to try to complete the objectives.

There is no set "rule" regarding watching the flank. If nothing is called concerning covering a flank, or if somebody asks and the caller says no, you don't do it. Period. Not because you are "watching the flank, " but because you are selling out your team so that you can get a couple easy kills while they are the ones actually taking care of the objective. That's the way it has always been. And in reality, there are very few, and I mean VERY few calls that require somebody covering a flank. So long as the team is pushing together and clear the site quickly, they will be able to get the bomb planted and have plenty of time to set up to cover all sides of the bombsite.

As Stealth said, the majority of the time people are banned for watching the flank because they did not ask to do so. We typically do not have a problem with people asking to watch the flank and often the caller will agree to the request. Sometimes, however, the request will be denied. It's entirely up to the caller's discretion.

Honestly, though, there typically isn't any real reason to watch the flank. On a B rush on de_dust2, if the call is performed as it should be (i.e. people not stopping at the end of the tunnel) then there shouldn't be anyone in tunnels for a CT trying to flank from lower to take out. If anything, one person should watch lower should the person getting the count call out that a CT(s) has gone lower. On a standard A call on de_piranesi, those taking roof and/or those holding mid can take care of the CT(s) flanking from B courtyard to T spawn or T side mid and, should they be unable to take out the flankers, can call out for those mid and/or roof to watch their backs. Other than that, I can't think of any scenario where watching a flank would be necessary. Perhaps watching the flank from sneaky on a B rush on de_piranesi might be one but that rarely is ever an issue if people are getting into B as they should and the spawn was as it should be for a B rush to be called.

Let's be honest here. Watching the flank means you don't have to worry as much about dying. Watching lower on de_dust2 is a heck of a lot easier than having to deal with the CTs in bombsite B. Watching B courtyard on de_piranesi is a heck of a lot easier than having to deal with CTs pushing mid or CTs at A arches. There's no doubt that players will "watch the flank," with our without permission, because it puts them at a lower risk of dying and/or they want some easy kills. This is the type of mentality that TPG does not condone and wants to keep off their servers.

as mentioned announcing and watching the flank is fine, its the punks that jump off the rush line to site back that get the hammer.

Okay I see that there are no need for rule changes...thank you for answering my issue... Though If it would help the CS:S server in any way if there is a way you could put this in the basic Information about letting players know you can flank just follow the call while you do it....Also manno I've also read its admins choice to warn players before a ban or not.. I know some admins just don't want to pussy foot around rule breakers....And yes I haven't been in the CS:S server in a while...Players seem to become upset about protecting the flanks but I think it would be helpful that player can be aware that protecting flanks isn't against server rules its not following the call while you are protecting flanks which can get them banned...

Thank you for your guys time... I hope to join the server later in the near future.. I hope I helped players understand this issue...

Originally Posted by Mobiusxg5

Though If it would help the CS:S server in any way if there is a way you could put this in the basic Information about letting players know you can flank just follow the call while you do it....

The only way to watch the flank while following the call is to get permission to do so either by the caller mentioning the need for someone to watch the flank or by asking for permission to watch the flank. Outside of these two things, a player should never watch the flank on a call.

I'm mentioning this just to make sure it is understood that it is not up to your discretion to determine if you're keeping with a call by watching the flank. If you're not given permission to do so you're not following the call, despite thinking that you are.