Thread: Science project Oil and shutting up the tree huggers for good.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Lions, tigers, lynx, etc. exist in vastly smaller numbers. Wolves and coyotes do too. And we can speculate, because at one point they were not here, and we were not, and we have many probes in different topics: The fossil record, peat bogs, frozen critters, etc.

And tiny little housecats likely never would have happened because the energy demand is far to great for a natural system. We needed to feed them (a lot) to get them where they are today.


But in the end, if the reset button as you call it gets pushed, it is over. So, since these stupid studies all coalesce via multiple probes to help determine what things might push that reset button, is that not a good idea?

Saying something like "we know we affect the environment [so why study how]" is like saying "we know there are enemies over there coming to kill us, but gathering intelligence about them is stupid." Oh wait, "trying to pretend like we know ..." So it is impossible for us to know? I disagree, we have nukes, spacecraft, microchips, we have altered our planets environment more than any other single organism in it's history; I think we are easily smart enough to make those models.

We can successfully predict countless natural phenomena with 100% accuracy, There are many things we cannot predict with 100% accuracy (yet) or at all. But we should try, so we don't press reset.

Frankly, I would assume any logical human would agree that accidentally killing ourselves through ignorance is far more stupid than studying natural science and acting on the findings.

They exsist is vastly smaller numbers for what reason? Remember we put them in that position. I disagree with your assumption tiny little housecats would have never happened. There were already tiny little cats prior to us being able to do anything with them. Then we brought them inside for companionship and called then house cats.

The problem with making those models is you will NEVER have all the information to have a correct model. I have no issue with studying things that are valuable. The output of green house gases from animals isnt anywhere near the top of the list. There are several that should be studied such as cows, chickens, and man. Everything else is a massive waste of time and resources. You can actually skip every animal but man and have more then enough information to know who needs to change what.

As for your analogy well its a bit off base. This would be more like knowing your enemy is going to attack and concentrating on what type of rock they are going to throw at you. All you need to know is its a rock.

I am curious as to what natural phenomena we can predict with 100% accuracy other then the sun is going rise and set.

What accident and its far from through ignorance. This study is every bit as ridiculous as your final statement. We know WE need to change how WE do things. Manipulating numbers to scare people into not owning pets in this nature is an embarisment to the entire scientific community.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

they can only do that with enough energy. When populations migrate, many die; ocassinally resulting in extinction. As we are witnessing right now, many species have died because they could not migrate easily in response to the changing climate.

What species went extinct due to migrating? I've never heard of that happening. I seriously would like to know. I might find that interesting to read about.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

I lol'd.

I can think right now of a number of ways we can irreparably damage the Earth. Mars was likely also homeostatic at one time, too.

Without looking at the internet, can you tell me specifically why Mars can't stay in a tight ring anymore?

You can lol but you know its the reality. Name some of those ways we could do that kind of damage right now. Lets keep in mind when listing them they have to be real not possibilities of what might happen. No i never read that much about what science assumes mars history is.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The planet isnt in any danger. Worst case scenario we go extinct and the planet recovers.

Nobody's arguing that the rock that is the planet is in danger of no longer existing. Lots of people, though, would like to avoid extinction of the species, or the many uncomfortable levels between our current situation and that one.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Animals also tend to move to new areas or hunting grounds. We are the only retards that think living in areas with no food supply is a good idea.

I'm talking about the planet as a whole. When the planet is at capacity for a particular species, then unless they develop interstellar spaceships, finding a new hunting ground isn't an option.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Nobody's arguing that the rock that is the planet is in danger of no longer existing. Lots of people, though, would like to avoid extinction of the species, or the many uncomfortable levels between our current situation and that one.

For all we know our effects on the planet wont be the end of the huamn race. Sooner or later they will have to find new methods to do things or tech will advance all on its own to make the change. Once that goes into effect it could all reverse fairly quickly. By that i mean none of here will be here for either item but i am a bit tired of the dooms day discussion on the environment. We havent predicted a single item accurately so far. Thats not to say we didnt get lucky here and there but i would call it an "exact" science so to speak.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Really?

Just google it man, I don't want to list tens of thousands of species across millions of years. The data is extremely reliable in most cases.

if you mean due to current climate change... at least 40 species of lizards, a lot of important bugs and molds and plants and ...
The one I remember specifically as distinct single species was the Golden Toad. But It is really well studied...


Really, google it, there are literally thousands of examples you can read about.

I didnt ask for 10's of millions. Just 1 will do fine. From what i just read on your toad migration isnt even listed as a possibility for its extinction. Lack of migration is one of almost a dozen possibilities.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

I'm talking about the planet as a whole. When the planet is at capacity for a particular species, then unless they develop interstellar spaceships, finding a new hunting ground isn't an option.

The only species to ever get close to that is man.