Thread: Rush has done the impossible

I don't think the argument is that it's cheap. It may or may not be.

There are two points.

First, it's a health care issue not an "I'm paying for you to have sex" issue. Rush's genius is that he can reframe issues in completely idiotic ways that are so appealing to the worst parts of who we are that we forget that what he says is ridiculous.

Having health insurance that does not cover a cheap preventative measure, but does cover (ie: is required to pay for) surgery that is orders-of-magnitude more expensive than the preventive treatment is silly.

The health care system that this country uses has, for decades, repeatedly failed in this exact way. It keeps failing to encourage the ounce of prevention.

The second point is that there are additional complicating factors (because, in this case, it's related to lady parts and teh sex) which make the discussion turn stupid faster; and that there are additional, external, benefits to the treatment.

Cheers,

AetheLove

Not arguing in support of Rush here (can't stand the guy and have said so numerous times before) but a couple questions:

1. Was this actual congressional testimony?
2. Was the testifier (Fluke) really what/who she described herself as being?
3. Does the lesbian friend with the cyst issue who didn't want children (but really did) really exist?
4. Was the friend a student or an employee of the school?
5. Where is Georgetown's statement on this (was there one? or is it no comment?)
As they seem to be getting pointed at directly in this story and I'd think they would want to respond in some manner.
6. Why would this lady get a phone call from the Pres over comments from a radio personality? (Grandstanding much?)


Those are my questions

With that said, I think that something like this, especially for medically necessary diagnoses, ought to be covered no matter what.

Medical Insurance is backassward (and I'm pretty sure I've said that more than once around these parts before too). Sadly, we got stuck with "Healthcare Reform" and not "Health Insurance Reform" so the status quo will remain indefinitely.

Yay......

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Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

1) she testified before a democratic panel as the republican controlled panel on the issue refused to hear her or any women.
2) -4)yes
5)hard to pull up on my kindle, but the response is in defence of her and is in this thread
6) politics...women's vote
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1) What were the reasons stated for that denial? Out of curiosity?
2) Ok
3) I guess we're stuck having to take her anecdote as fact (even though those are "insufficient currency" in all of our other discussions
4) Friend was employee? Or Student? You said "Yes" She was both? Neither? See above answer?
5) Couldn't find a statement on-line from them. Can you link it? Would love to read it.
6) Gotta love the pandering.....

In regards to Ins - I was able to find some interesting tidbits....
I realize that the issue is really in regards to ins covering these things, as I said earlier especially when they are medically necessary, but there ought to be some factors related to personal responsibility as well. Case in point being:
Hoyer Takes Fluke 'At Her Word' on $3,000 Birth Control | CNSNews.com

At the U.S. Capitol on Tuesday, CNSNews.com asked Rep. Hoyer’s office the following question: “Georgetown Law student Sandra Fluke told Congress contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 in law school if her insurance doesn’t cover it. Yet the Target store 3 miles from Georgetown Law sells a month’s supply of birth control pills for $9 to people whose insurance does not cover the pills. Was Fluke’s testimony accurate?”

However, as CNSNews.com has confirmed, birth control pills are available for as little as $9 per month for people without health insurance at the Target pharmacy just three miles from the Georgetown Law school campus where Fluke attends. Target offers Tri-Sprintec, the generic form of the birth-control pill Ortho Tri-Cyclen.
A CVS pharmacy only two blocks from the Georgetown Law campus also sells a month's supply of the same generic birth control pills for $33.

Those seem pretty readily accessible options at a far lower cost than $3000 and I'd hazard a guess might have saved her friend an ovary (while I realize that might sound harsh, it begs the question of what was the friend who lost an ovary doing in regards to looking after herself other than relying on Georgetown to do so?)

Additionally, Georgetown's Handbook seems to offer a slightly contradictory tack than what Ms. Fluke's testimony alleged.
http://studentaffairs.georgetown.edu...lanbooklet.pdf

Introduction
Georgetown University requires students to have health insurance. We have implemented this
requirement for a number of reasons:
...
Because so many students have difficulty obtaining comprehensive, affordable coverage on their
own, the University has accepted the responsibility of obtaining an affordable plan for its students,
the Premier Plan. Students who are eligible for insurance in the fall are automatically charged for the
Premier Plan.
...
Georgetown University requires most students in a degree program who are registered at
Georgetown University (for purposes other than enabling plan eligibility), for nine or more credit
hours, registered for Thesis Research or Law and Graduate Students registered for eight or more
credits to have health insurance coverage.
...
All eligible students are charged $1,895 for insurance in the fall semester. Students who become
eligible for the Plan for the first time in the spring semester are charged $1,209 for spring coverage.
...

Exclusions and Limitations:
No benefits will be paid for: a) loss or expense caused by, contributed to, or resulting from; or b)
treatment, service or supplies for, at, or related to:
...
19. Prescription Drugs, services or supplies as follows, except as specifically provided in the policy:
----b) Birth control and/or contraceptives, oral or other, whether medication or device; except as
specifically provided in the policy;

19.b makes me wonder if there is something in the ins policy itself that allows for medical necessity as others have claimed.

Here's the preferred drug list for Georgetown as well:
http://benefits.georgetown.edu/resou...rug%20list.pdf
Looks like there are quite a few OB/GYN related medications on the approved "maintenance list" though some might require pre-authorization prior to the physician prescribing them. But there are forms for that as well.


At any rate, one is left to wonder why someone as educated as her friend apparently was would not evaluate additional options regarding her health while conflict resolution with the Ins company was ongoing. Target, at $9/month is a fairly inexpensive option and far preferable to the events that transpired.

With all that said though, there should've been coverage for that, or a clause in the policy that allowed for and mandated medically necessary medications.

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

Does any of that constitute a Slut.

Who knows (or cares) whether she is or not. But I find it hilariously hypocritical on two counts.....
1. on Rush - given his alleged foibles and illicit daliances
2. on the outcry - of every one in the media and here on the boards and the President for rushing to the defense of this woman when so many others have had similar (and worse) claims levied at them with nary a peep.....

Double standards FTW.....forever.

Point dismissed.

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

would she do me?

Not likely. Even she as a slut would have standards.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Yeah, not every med works the same for everyone. For instance, my sister becomes super depressed on the cheaply stuff. She can't even take the generic of her higher end one. In the case of my antipsychotic, geodon does nothing for me, zyprexa will kill me, and latuda is a happy medium.e zyprexa was "cheaper" as a generic but clearly was not viable. Different meds also will treat different sets of symptoms.

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Understood, but considering that the devil is always in the details, there was no mention of an attempt to address the issue with cheaper meds or alternate sources of acquisition (Target/CVS) which leaves a likely conclusion of "They were not considered or tried."