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04-09-12, 12:48 AM #12Here is a start for ya.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/albertavotes2012/
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04-09-12, 05:20 AM #14
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Sorta surprised me, especially given your station in life. Mind if I ask why?
For me, I feel it's my civic duty, and I do it out of respect for those who died to give me the right. Respect for guys like you, Pint, who are on the front lines of safeguarding that right. I know you are a pretty bright guy who has some strong opinions, so I was a little taken back to hear that you don't exercise your right to vote.deputyfestus liked this post
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04-09-12, 01:21 PM #16
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Well the short answer is that I do not see it as a duty to decide which pig gets let into the pen, it is a duty to be vigilant that they stay there.
Long answer.
Voting at the national level gives nothing but an allusion of choice. To be a name on a ballot that people recognize to get elected, and then reelected, takes money first and votes second. So who was the decider? The people?
The biggest blow to American Democracy in living memory was the Citizens United decision. Your average Human is a moron, a slope brow'd, drooling, garden utensil. They will vote, within reason, for the candidate who they are exposed to the most. Money means exposure, which means votes, which means elections are bought not debated nor 'decided'.
The catch phrase in that last paragraph is 'within reason', that is why culture is the variable in the equation that has some wiggle room and is where the real fight is. Approaching equality for women wasn't done by electing some guy who campaigned on it before we ever heard of the concept, it came to a point that in order to be 'within reason' meant you had to support more equality for women or you had diminishing chances of being elected. The politician doesn't matter at that point, the concept had enough critical mass to mitigate the effect of money.
If you want something to be different don't expect that to happen by voting, expect it by playing your small part in convincing people the merit of one small facet of culture at a time, go find the garden utensils in other words and sharpen them up.
Make it unreasonable to be elected if you are homophobic or think government should keep a 18 year old from knowing about contraception, or that people should be jailed for smoking a joint. (If you disagree with these points then please go vote and dismiss my entire rant.)
I play the long game, the short game is for suckers.
AMSLast edited by Pint; 04-09-12 at 01:40 PM.
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04-09-12, 01:36 PM #17
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Guys.... we need more like buttons, one is simply not enough.
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04-09-12, 02:55 PM #19
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Getting them out of the bushes and in the open is good, but the vote is what keeps them from getting to the dance.
Sometimes I think we underestimate the intelligence of the common people. After all, we are common people here at TPG, and some of the views, ideas, and opinions expressed here are sometimes quite illuminating. I think what is really happening is we are underestimating the intelligence of the candidates. They know from years of experience and trial and error how to play to ANY voter.
I like WickedTribe's answer, see where you stand politically and then ........
go and find like minded candidates, and support them until they are no longer like minded with you.
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04-09-12, 05:40 PM #20
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I asked because I knew your answer would be good. And I was right.
I mostly agree, but I've always seen voting as "getting involved" while burning the least amount of calories. If nothing else, it gives us the right to bitch, as we have at least "done something". If everyone went down the road you are on, the only ones left voting would be people truly out of the loop. Your one sane vote, if nothing else, cancels out one you would disagree with.
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