Lied to, already.

**Hitch** · 09-02-12, 12:51 PM

Can we go and drink beer, cook some BarBQue and appreciate the fact that we live in the greatest country on EARTH now? Shit!

Sure, our houses need cleaning and new stewards; but hey, it is on us to push for changes or retractions of unwanted changes (that have already been marked as failures). What seems to suck most about our government, IMO, is that once a new mooch program is put into place, WE NEVER SEEM TO BE ABLE TO GET THE FUCK RID OF IT! This is why sooo much of our tax money is simply wasted.

We need to be able to vote out leach programs, put better, more clear announcements/descriptions on new propositions and enforce rules of scrutiny for mooch legislation (that which affects our pockets). There should be a ceiling on how much money goes to government. If they had to budget their bullshit, then we would not have so many outdated, loser-welfare type programs. If agencies/programs are not working, REPLACE them...instead of adding more programs for more dollars and building more bureaucracy.

Hitch

BTW, this is a Hitch rib cooking method:

1. boil and cool a brine (sea salt, apple juice, whiskey/tequila/vinegar & pepper) ...and/or on the booze and vinegar
2. cut your racks into 3 to 4-bone slabs
3. drop them in that brine a night before cook-day and ice that container
4. pecan wood, apple wood, pear wood etc....build a searing fire
5. remove those slabs and sprinkle some dry spice on your meat (your SO will love it)
6. sear, don't burn meat side first, then flip and rotate until all slabs are seared
7. when you see meat pulling back from bone a little, COOL THAT FIRE
8. now, cool smoke 180-200 F for 2 hours
9. while cool-smoking, slice apples and onions to put in a foil tray
10. turn your house oven on to 200-220 F
11. place those slabs on the apple and onion beds and cover them with foil
12. yes, put them in your oven and clean up your mess outside and in the kitchen
13. 2-3 hours in your oven should make you some bone-yanking ribs that you will have everlasting memories of creating

Side dishes are not macho, hence I cannot tell you what to do. Most good grocers sell thick toast, coleslaw, potato salad and (absofuckinlutely do NOT forget) banana pudding with 'nilla wafers, sheeit! Blue Bell does make a nice nanna pudding icecream that will substitute as needed.

ENJOY

**deputyfestus** · 09-02-12, 01:03 PM

I think the phrase your looking for Hitch is Pork Barrel, kinda like this.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-02-12, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Oh, please. Enough with the worship. And if it's the "guiding light for what is right," why did the original not give women or the poor or minorities the vote? Why did it define blacks as three-fifths of a person? Why didn't it outlaw slavery? All those were changed long AFTER the Founders you worship died. As for modern issues, what does it say about gay marriage? Or abortion? Oh, that's right, nothing.

It didn't include them because times were different then as the will be 50 years from now. Thats the beauty of the constitution. Its stands all time and allows for it do grow and change as we do. Your inability to understand that doesn't change what the fact the document is as perfectly written as any document can be. You dont change the magna carta or the declaration of independence because the phrasing and verbiage used dont meet current times. Its absurd to think that way.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

What decline? Really? You want me to pull up the education statistics? The income equality disparities? And so on?

Yeah what decline. Your not speaking to items for the constitution. Your speaking to items controled by laws, regulations, and available funding from taxes. Stay on topic or create a new one for those and i'll gladly discuss them.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

You have a distorted understanding of the document. It was a document chock full of compromises and deals which sought to weaken the states and form a strong federal government while limiting input from the people. Sounds perfect to me, too!

Every decision is a compromise in life. You must have a sound foundation which we do in the constitution. Everything else can be torn down and fixed just as it was corrupted.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Well, when your only "solution" is to vote in other people who will ultimately succumb to the same system, I see nothing that says you support anything but the current system.

The minute everyone has finally had enough. Just like we did last time 236 years ago. You are so wrong. I am not sitting here telling our politicians are in it for us, or we aren't being tread on, or the system is working perfectly, or that the system is even working good.

As i have many times before i will say again. Our system is fucked up and full of corruption and needs to be fixed. That however does not include rewriting the constitution. Thats the last time im going to say that so either let it sink in or stfu about it.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Tinfoil hat nonsense.

Its so tinfoil hat you couldn't provide a single example. Time to put your nonsense on the shelf and either put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

So backroom dealings and undemocratic institutions are as perfect as it can be? I disagree.

LOL wake and read the posts.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

You still think going after the symptoms is going to fix the cause of the problem. It's not. What you are doing is insisting your computer made in 1986 is just perfect the way it is and the only reason it isn't good enough by today's standards is because the operator is misusing it. Is changing the operator going to do anything? Hell no, and since it is too old to upgrade, it's time to get a new one. But you know what? That new computer will still have the same components as the old one, just newer and better.

No not at all. I'm all for going after the cause. We dont even need new laws in place for this shit. All we need to do is enforce laws already there. Each and every one of them took an oath to the people of which they have ignored. That isn't the constitutions fault. Its ours for allowing the people who work for us to shit on us.

The constitution doesn't compare with computers very well. But i'll run with it for you because maybe just maybe you'll pick up on it but i do doubt it.

If the constitution is a computer the document itself is the casing. It limits the ability of the user to misuse it while allowing them to update it to any imaginable update providing the majority agrees on the upgrade. It never goes out of date or service just because i new processor or software has become available. Instead it has the ability to upgrade installed in it long before the update was ever needed or wanted.

Even with all of that ability some will still try to bend it to their will (like your doing now) but in the end as it has already it will stand the test of time long after you fail.

**Hitch** · 09-02-12, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by deputyfestus

I think the phrase your looking for Hitch is Pork Barrel, kinda like this.

Scary shit, indeed. People should be more outraged, but the press won't spill these beans on national news.

**Fovezer** · 09-02-12, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

It didn't include them because times were different then as the will be 50 years from now. Thats the beauty of the constitution. Its stands all time and allows for it do grow and change as we do. Your inability to understand that doesn't change what the fact the document is as perfectly written as any document can be. You dont change the magna carta or the declaration of independence because the phrasing and verbiage used dont meet current times. Its absurd to think that way.

Exactly! Times change. A system of government that worked 236 years ago may not be the best system for today. And it doesn't change or grow, it constantly gets reinterpreted. Why? Because it is vague and doesn't give much direction. Since the Bill of Rights took effect in 1791, there have been 17 whole amendments, and one was the repealing of another. If there is that little of change, do you really think anything drastic will happen to fix any systematic problems we have?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Yeah what decline. Your not speaking to items for the constitution. Your speaking to items controled by laws, regulations, and available funding from taxes. Stay on topic or create a new one for those and i'll gladly discuss them.

So treat the Constitution like God. It gets credit for everything good that happens, but everything bad that happens is the fault of something or someone else. Got it.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Every decision is a compromise in life. You must have a sound foundation which we do in the constitution. Everything else can be torn down and fixed just as it was corrupted.

Yes, compromise is necessary in life, which is why it is silly to worship the Constitution. It wasn't written to be some glorious and idealistic document that you seem to think, it was written as a practical document, taking into account the values of the time, to unify the country. When you compromise, you water down your values. That's what happened here.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The minute everyone has finally had enough. Just like we did last time 236 years ago. You are so wrong. I am not sitting here telling our politicians are in it for us, or we aren't being tread on, or the system is working perfectly, or that the system is even working good.

As i have many times before i will say again. Our system is fucked up and full of corruption and needs to be fixed. That however does not include rewriting the constitution. Thats the last time im going to say that so either let it sink in or stfu about it.

It needs to be "fixed," yet later in this post you say that there doesn't need to be any new laws to fix the problem. How the hell do you plan to fix anything then?!

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Its so tinfoil hat you couldn't provide a single example. Time to put your nonsense on the shelf and either put up or shut up.

I didn't even bother to try. It's a red herring on your part and a waste of time. But if those rights were passed by the government of the United States and ratified by the states, they could be done again.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

LOL wake and read the posts.

I have, and that's what the Founding Fathers supported.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

No not at all. I'm all for going after the cause. We dont even need new laws in place for this shit. All we need to do is enforce laws already there. Each and every one of them took an oath to the people of which they have ignored. That isn't the constitutions fault. Its ours for allowing the people who work for us to shit on us.

Two words: Citizens United. They ARE falling the laws in place. There is legally NO LIMIT to the money allowed in politics now, and you're saying we don't need any new laws to fix that. Supporting the status quo...

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The constitution doesn't compare with computers very well. But i'll run with it for you because maybe just maybe you'll pick up on it but i do doubt it.

If the constitution is a computer the document itself is the casing. It limits the ability of the user to misuse it while allowing them to update it to any imaginable update providing the majority agrees on the upgrade. It never goes out of date or service just because i new processor or software has become available. Instead it has the ability to upgrade installed in it long before the update was ever needed or wanted.

Even with all of that ability some will still try to bend it to their will (like your doing now) but in the end as it has already it will stand the test of time long after you fail.

So what you're saying is the Constitution really serves no purpose outside of aesthetics? And if it's just a shell, and all the parts aren't fitting right, do you buy a new processor or graphics card or do you buy a new case?

**deathgodusmc** · 09-02-12, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Exactly! Times change. A system of government that worked 236 years ago may not be the best system for today. And it doesn't change or grow, it constantly gets reinterpreted. Why? Because it is vague and doesn't give much direction. Since the Bill of Rights took effect in 1791, there have been 17 whole amendments, and one was the repealing of another. If there is that little of change, do you really think anything drastic will happen to fix any systematic problems we have?

You really do have a twisted ass interpretation of this shit dont you? The constitution as any working document can not be specific in nature to every detail. If it was it would fail. That sir is tyranny. There must be give and take inside the document not to mention as it does it lists more to what the government is capable of doing not the people. As such it requires less change then any hard law or rule we put in place. You dont seem to get that.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

So treat the Constitution like God. It gets credit for everything good that happens, but everything bad that happens is the fault of something or someone else. Got it.

LOL is that the best you can do? Thats your best argument? Does that not tell you something in itself? Take your party line argument to a party line thread.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Yes, compromise is necessary in life, which is why it is silly to worship the Constitution. It wasn't written to be some glorious and idealistic document that you seem to think, it was written as a practical document, taking into account the values of the time, to unify the country. When you compromise, you water down your values. That's what happened here.

Once again LOL. It is a living document. It took many versions and 4 months to write a 1 page document.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

It needs to be "fixed," yet later in this post you say that there doesn't need to be any new laws to fix the problem. How the hell do you plan to fix anything then?!

I said we have laws in place and need to enforce them. I can concede we may need to add a few to cut corruption out completely.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

I didn't even bother to try. It's a red herring on your part and a waste of time. But if those rights were passed by the government of the United States and ratified by the states, they could be done again.

No you didn't bother because you know you cant. Do you know what a red herring is? You dont get to bring things up then say IM throwing out red herrings. Keep up. However this is just you trying to bend everyone to what you think is right. Precisely what the constitution was designed to prevent.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

I have, and that's what the Founding Fathers supported.

LOL

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Two words: Citizens United. They ARE falling the laws in place. There is legally NO LIMIT to the money allowed in politics now, and you're saying we don't need any new laws to fix that. Supporting the status quo...

You already know i said in the past im for limiting these items. They are not a necessity but damn sure wouldn't hurt.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

So what you're saying is the Constitution really serves no purpose outside of aesthetics? And if it's just a shell, and all the parts aren't fitting right, do you buy a new processor or graphics card or do you buy a new case?

ROFL i knew you wouldn't get it. Carry on young one your wasting my time because your not interested in discussing anything. All you want to do is tell people how they are wrong and the all might Fov isn't. Willfully blind and argumentative bs from you in every single post. You sir will never admit your wrong. All i have to say to your posts is LOL and im glad you actually have 0 power to change anything.

**Fovezer** · 09-02-12, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You really do have a twisted ass interpretation of this shit dont you? The constitution as any working document can not be specific in nature to every detail. If it was it would fail. That sir is tyranny. There must be give and take inside the document not to mention as it does it lists more to what the government is capable of doing not the people. As such it requires less change then any hard law or rule we put in place. You dont seem to get that.

LOL, priceless. Your total worship of the document has blinded you to any rational discussion of it.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

LOL is that the best you can do? Thats your best argument? Does that not tell you something in itself? Take your party line argument to a party line thread.

"Party line"? WTF?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Once again LOL. It is a living document. It took many versions and 4 months to write a 1 page document.

The Constitution is a 4 page document. Glad you know it so well, lol.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I said we have laws in place and need to enforce them. I can concede we may need to add a few to cut corruption out completely.

Which is it, we have enough or we need more? Make up your mind.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

No you didn't bother because you know you cant. Do you know what a red herring is? You dont get to bring things up then say IM throwing out red herrings. Keep up. However this is just you trying to bend everyone to what you think is right. Precisely what the constitution was designed to prevent.

Go look up the definition if you don't understand it. A red herring is an argument brought up that shifts focus away from the primary discussion, and that's what your doing. YOU said something about government limiting rights, and then demanded that I fulfill your tinfoil hat nonsense. That whole time I said I supported keeping all of the right we have and adding some, so what you did was bring up a red herring.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You already know i said in the past im for limiting these items. They are not a necessity but damn sure wouldn't hurt.

You're for limiting them, but we don't need any new laws?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

ROFL i knew you wouldn't get it. Carry on young one your wasting my time because your not interested in discussing anything. All you want to do is tell people how they are wrong and the all might Fov isn't. Willfully blind and argumentative bs from you in every single post. You sir will never admit your wrong. All i have to say to your posts is LOL and im glad you actually have 0 power to change anything.

Lol, god damn are you a huge fucking hypocrite or what? I never once said your opinions were wrong, while in every. single. post. of yours you say I'm wrong. WTF is wrong with you? It's called reading comprehension, buddy. I'm not going to admit my OPINION is wrong any more than you will admit that your OPINION is wrong. They are OPINIONS for a reason, and that's what we were talking about, not who is right and who is wrong. Some examples from you:

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You are so wrong.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I have no reason to be because your wrong and your thoughts will NEVER come to pass.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Wrong on every account so far.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

It comes down to you just being wrong with hollow assumptions that your rewrite will do a damn thing.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

All i said was your wrong that the constitution needs to rewritten.

Yet I never said you were wrong, but then you call me "young one"?! You act like you're fucking 6. "I'm always right, and if you won't admit that you're wrong, then that means you think you're always right. Waa waa waa." Fucking idiotic, man. I guess that's what happens when your analogies get thoroughly smacked down, though.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-02-12, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

LOL, priceless. Your total worship of the document has blinded you to any rational discussion of it.

"Party line"? WTF?

The Constitution is a 4 page document. Glad you know it so well, lol.

Which is it, we have enough or we need more? Make up your mind.

Go look up the definition if you don't understand it. A red herring is an argument brought up that shifts focus away from the primary discussion, and that's what your doing. YOU said something about government limiting rights, and then demanded that I fulfill your tinfoil hat nonsense. That whole time I said I supported keeping all of the right we have and adding some, so what you did was bring up a red herring.

You're for limiting them, but we don't need any new laws?

Lol, god damn are you a huge fucking hypocrite or what? I never once said your opinions were wrong, while in every. single. post. of yours you say I'm wrong. WTF is wrong with you? It's called reading comprehension, buddy. I'm not going to admit my OPINION is wrong any more than you will admit that your OPINION is wrong. They are OPINIONS for a reason, and that's what we were talking about, not who is right and who is wrong. Some examples from you:

Yet I never said you were wrong, but then you call me "young one"?! You act like you're fucking 6. "I'm always right, and if you won't admit that you're wrong, then that means you think you're always right. Waa waa waa." Fucking idiotic, man. I guess that's what happens when your analogies get thoroughly smacked down, though.

You couldn't even stay on the constitution without throwing red herrings out everywhere. You have an opinion, i have an opinion, and im sure there are others with a different one. Move along until you actually wish to discuss the topic. By that it means you have to actually hear the other persons side. Of which judging by your last several bouts with people you are incapable of doing so.

Yup i said you were wrong a number of times and i'll say it once more for you. Your wrong on the constitution needing to be rewritten. You can add that to your quotes as well if you wish.