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    Quote Originally Posted by SourceSkills View Post
    science is knowledge and knowledge is free. you don't need money or big businesses for that. resources despite what the media and politicians say are still in abundance on the earth (not to mention the untapped resources of our solar system). there is enough to feed us, house us, and power our society the world over and that is all free as well. the earth gives us what we need not the guy at the counter holding the money at the bank. the sooner you realize that the better off you will be.
    Nothing is free. Lets not forget the money for those projects that are funded by the government is paid for with taxes and big business does pay into that system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SourceSkills View Post
    Yes you are correct and that is how the current system operates. What i propose and many others propose is replacing our outdated economic system (which it can hardly be called an economic system since that implies it actually uses resources to their maximum potential and recycles what it cannot use efficiently) with a newer better one called a Resource Based Economy (or RBE) and i will provide links when i finish for anyone who wants more information on an RBE. Our society is so integrated now and so technologically advanced that we have nullified the use of money. We no longer have a need for it because scarcity which is a basis of our economic system is manufactured sometimes literally into the system. who needs money when you have access to all the resources you need and all hard tedious labor is done by machines now instead of humans.



    its a metaphor. just because in the current system it requires large sums of money to find that knowledge that doesn't mean that knowledge isn't there. that knowledge is there whether you used money to buy the equipment needed to find it or not and its there whether we even come close to speculating that its there.





    once again it is all free. i will say again that our society is so integrated now that money has become irrelevant. all you need is an open mind a willingness to learn and the ability to shed the conditioning that you were bombarded with as a child onward which includes social status, religious inhibitions and customs, and racial and personal choice bigotry.


    look you don't have to agree with me i want nothing of the sort. my only hope is that i may give enough information for you to come to your own conclusions whether that be you do not support what i am saying or that you do. i am not here on a holy crusade hell bent on forced indoctrination so that you see it my way and only my way. all i want to do is educate and help people open their minds to knew ideas.
    You clearly have your own definition of free. Whatever you want to use as currency, or lack there of, there's a cost to science. Scientists must be fed, equipment must be manufactured, etc. These are real costs that can't simply be ignored because we shifted to a different economic system. They're definitely not "free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedTribe View Post
    I didn't make it political, I just pointed out that this science isn't "powered by business," it's used by business. That's great, and business is very good at using the results of science.

    Its a tit for tat deal. Sometimes business pushes tech and science and sometimes science pushes it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedTribe View Post
    You clearly have your own definition of free. Whatever you want to use as currency, or lack there of, there's a cost to science. Scientists must be fed, equipment must be manufactured, etc. These are real costs that can't simply be ignored because we shifted to a different economic system. They're definitely not "free."
    all i have to say is read and watch the material that i linked to in my post and open your mind to new ideas. everything i have said or proposed is possible today and completely within reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SourceSkills View Post
    I knew those views sounded so familiar. I'm not on board with the Zeitgeist plan, though. I just don't see it being viable. As for the "Thrive movement," that is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen. It talks about aliens visiting earth and other crazy shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fovezer View Post
    I knew those views sounded so familiar. I'm not on board with the Zeitgeist plan, though. I just don't see it being viable. As for the "Thrive movement," that is the biggest crock of shit I have ever seen. It talks about aliens visiting earth and other crazy shit.
    Thrive is a bit wack in some areas I will agree but it has good info on the economic, Medical, technological, and government issues.

    As for zeitgeist what sacres people away from it is the idea that your religion, your government, and basically your entire livelihood is contrary to the reality of the sciencetific fact. It's not an overnight process and in world in which an RBE is truly realized is no place for me or you but it is something that we should strive to be not for us but for our children and children's children and of course for our mother Earth. It is all possible today to implement many of those things that an RBE proposes as well. Just read and find out for yourself don't let me decide for you.
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    I say we skip to the Hunger Games world and start watching teenagers kill themselves for entertainment. Hell, I watch that on the news already.
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    lol, funny Ranger. Sourcekills, yea, Iīve seen all of the Zeitgeist movies before. And no, I still donīt see how everything is free in the world we live in or how our resources are infinite or how we can do away will all of our current systems and implement a new way of living from scratch without having to do away with all of humanity first. Again, I ask you to enlighten me because I really canīt see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SourceSkills View Post
    all i have to say is read and watch the material that i linked to in my post and open your mind to new ideas. everything i have said or proposed is possible today and completely within reason.
    I read it, and find it naive, but even if it did work, that wouldn't make science free. We still need scientists to work. We still need engineers, factory workers and truck drivers to get them their instruments, chemicals, pencils, computers, etc. These people need to eat, they need gas for their cars, electricity, etc. The food needs to come from somewhere - that will take work by farmers, more truck drivers, whole industries. This stuff isn't just going away because we get rid of currency. All of that work will still need to be done, so the cost will remain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xavsnipe View Post
    lol, funny Ranger. Sourcekills, yea, Iīve seen all of the Zeitgeist movies before. And no, I still donīt see how everything is free in the world we live in or how our resources are infinite or how we can do away will all of our current systems and implement a new way of living from scratch without having to do away with all of humanity first. Again, I ask you to enlighten me because I really canīt see it.
    Sure but let me ask you a question first here. With the US having more people per capita than any other nation in prison do you think that that's a free society. Do you think that that's part of our humanity? Humans like every other animal hate being caged up and only want to be understood and nurtured. So take this into account as well out of the entire prison population how many of those were violent crime offenders? Then also find out how many of those violent crime offenders were put there because they acted on the acquisition of wealth in some form? Just a question to ponder while I continue.

    First and foremost people must understand that our government, our economy, our religious institutions, and our banking and business institutions are all obsolete and harmful to our humanity. Our humanity is actually stifled by them. Our creativity and intelligence are suppressed and that's how some people actually want it to be but that's a different story for a different time. Now this is the hard part because people especially those are and were heavily conditioned especially in the religious and corporate sectors will be extremely resistant to the idea that they are wrong. This may go as far as force being used to suppress those ideas which you already kind of see today.

    Now say that it's years from now and enough people are convinced an RBE the right way to go and we can move forward and leave those things behind and fix those problems that those institutions created. But how do we fix them you ask? Well that's the easy part. With the abundance of resources now at all of our disposal we can start to build more efficient machines and computers that will take tedious and hard labor out of our hands and build a better society, better homes, better cities, and finally have the ability to give all of humanity what it by right needs and deserves. That's a house, food, clean drinking water, electricity, and above all a purpose by the way. All of which is possible today I might add even if you insist on holding over money.

    But where is this abundance coming from? Well the key to it all is electricity. Because without it none of this works. Fortunately we have abundance of that as well and it is all clean energy. Between solar, wind, and geothermal we have enough energy reserves to last thousands if not millions of years just on those three alone and who knows what energy tech we will come up with once we take the money gloves off. With that much power we can grow as much food as we need, clean all the water we need for drinking, build as much as we need and ensure a quality living experience for all of us.

    So back to my first point the one I told you to ponder on a bit. If you thought about it carefully you will notice that nearly everyone's reason for being in prison is related to money somehow (mentally handicapped people excluded). Whether it be from just pure greed or out of simple nessecity. So if you agree which you don't have to its just a popular conclusion you will see that in a RBE society those people would have had no need to commit those crimes. Just an example as to how our humanity will be further restored. This also effectively gets rid of 99 percent of all crime worldwide. So if you're wondering why I mention that before there you go reason clarified.

    Now I'm not a freakin genius. Anyone who knows me will tell you that but if I was able to absorb all that basic understanding others can to. I also do not claim to be an expert on any of the subjects discussed thus the reason why I don't give long winded explanations as to how those things work or are implemented I just know that it can he done but that's not without careful study and reasoning I did on my own.

    Point is when the reformation of the mind begins is when our society begins to change for the better and that is literally where all this starts.
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