Wow. The Dems should probably stop bragging about saving GM.

**Fovezer** · 09-11-12, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You had a 2 year period where it was proven your statement is about as full of shit as a porta potty.

Filibusters skyrocket under Republican minority in 110th Congress. | ThinkProgress
GOP Filibuster Record: Republicans Using Obstruction Tool With Astonishing Frequency

**deathgodusmc** · 09-11-12, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Filibusters skyrocket under Republican minority in 110th Congress. | ThinkProgress
GOP Filibuster Record: Republicans Using Obstruction Tool With Astonishing Frequency

ROFLMAO You act like this shit is something new. lol shit you crack me up sometimes.

**~BigTymer~** · 09-11-12, 02:21 PM

Test drove one for a while. 30 miles per charge. If you run the AC or Radio, radar detector it drops A LOT.....Idea is great the product is shit

**Fovezer** · 09-11-12, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

ROFLMAO You act like this shit is something new. lol shit you crack me up sometimes.

The level of filibustering they did is absolutely new. They totally abused the rule and smashed the previous records for use. Or are you denying that they used it a record number of times?

**deathgodusmc** · 09-11-12, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

The level of filibustering they did is absolutely new. They totally abused the rule and smashed the previous records for use. Or are you denying that they used it a record number of times?

The level they did? Really? Thats what your problem is? LOL Its been climbing since 1970. Odds are it will continue to. This particular peak has been growing since 2004.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-11-12, 02:41 PM

Party In Power - Congress and Presidency - A Visual Guide To The Balance of Power In Congress, 1945-2008

Im just curios as to what excuse those party line dems have for not getting the job done seeing as they have controlled the senate and the house far more then the repubs have. Oh wait nevermind those were right leaning dems and filibusting repubs screwing up the works. No way they all had a fair hand in the bullshit.

**Red_Lizard2** · 09-12-12, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

So I've noticed. He lashed out at me for bringing up R&D costs being associated with the numbers Reuters got, yet every other sentence in the article he linked, which I actually read, talks about development costs being included in their numbers. And, if you did that for every new car, they would ALL start out at a loss. But the car alone doesn't cost twice as much as they sell it for, either. From his own article:

"The actual cost to build the Volt is estimated to be an additional $20,000 to $32,000 per vehicle, according to Munro and the other industry consultants."

So that means, not including development costs, they are making $8,000 to $20,000 per every Volt sold at MSRP. And for every new Volt they manufacture, the development cost per car drops. This really is a misleading article, too.

by the way, found the "book" explanation (which I'm sure someone will bitch about something to do with it, but whatever), its not perfect but meh it works:
http://www.unf.edu/~dtanner/dtch/dt_ch29.pdf