Second debate

**triggerhappy2005** · 10-17-12, 07:47 AM

Since Lazarus hasn't started this thread yet, I can't figure why not, I thought I'd start it.

Seems to me that Obama 'won' this one. I say 'won' because I don't think this has a great effect on who will get my vote or who I think will win. Regardless who wins or loses these pissing contests, they still have the same viewpoints and characteristics. Basically, nothing fundamentally changes.

It would take a gaffe of biblical proportions to have a real effect on the outcome of this election. Something along the lines of Obama saying he regretted killing Osama bin Laden or Romney reaffirming his dislike of those with less means. Neither happened so imo nothing has reaaly changed.

***COMMANDER*** · 10-17-12, 08:07 AM

I thought that Romney made it pretty clear that Obama has a record of being the worst president we have ever had and has the worst 4 years on record than any president in history and he has no plan and no defense.

I also thought it was pretty clear that Romney sincerely wants to get this economy going and create jobs and help the middle class to create jobs and start businesses. He is going to make it incentively attractive and support them.

Most all of what Obama said was false, especially what he said about his administrative record for the last 4 years....

He tried to wreck us and did a pretty good job of it and it's time for him to go. We can't afford another 4 years of him and his policies.

It's time to put a businessman in the office, that works and clean this mess up and the sooner he can start, the better.

**WickedTribe** · 10-17-12, 09:02 AM

I agree with Commander's thoughtful and completely non-hyperbolic response. Romney clearly showed that Obama was not only the worst president that ever lived, but the worst, most destructive person that ever lived. Everything that Obama said was false, and everything that Mitt said was not only "word of God" true, but full of sincerity, hope, love and free puppies.

Here's my favorite moment in the debate, where Mitt uses those truths to really put Obama in his place.

**WickedTribe** · 10-17-12, 09:11 AM

More truth, sincerity and honesty from Romney last night:

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/tal...he-binder.aspx

**WickedTribe** · 10-17-12, 09:23 AM

But seriously, my initial critique of these debates still holds. Neither candidate actually answered any of the questions, they just used the time to pound in their campaign sound bytes. This was actually worse with the town hall style debate, since the person asking the question isn't able to say "hey, answer my god-damned question."

**-Lazarus-** · 10-17-12, 10:36 AM

Hate to interrupt you boys' little circle jerk here, but it appears that Romney won the debate from most of the polls on the subject and of course these two segments - one from a liberal channel and one from a fair and balanced one :-) :

Yeah, you guys are dreaming. Momentum is building. LIBERTY IS RISING! The people are waking up.

As always I want you to remember ONE WORD... Landslide.

**Morningfrost** · 10-17-12, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Most all of what Obama said was false, especially what he said about his administrative record for the last 4 years....

Not according to the fact checkers I've seen. I saw one "False" rating attached to Obama's comments, and that was when he was talking about how Romney said the Arizona law was a "model for the nation." The rest of the checks I saw included one "Half-true" (about what Romney said about Detroit going bankrupt) and the rest were "more" true than that (rated "mostly-true" or "true").

Romney on the other hand....he had one "true" (about Obama not offering an immigration bill in his first term), 2 "mostly trues" (about kids graduating from college not being able to find jobs, and Massachusetts having a top education system) and the rest were "half-true" at best, with the kicker being the only "Pants on fire" rating of the debate (where he referred to Obama having performed an 'apology tour' in the Middle East).

They both stretched the truth in this debate, but to me it looks like Romney was a bit more 'liberal' with the truth. Oh comon, you know you smiled a little bit at that pun

I don't know that I can say this debate influenced my decision one way or the other, because as Wicked pointed out neither of them really answered the damned questions, at least for the most part. Obama answered the question about assault weapons and what he was going to do to get them off the street (wants a new assault weapons ban), and EVENTUALLY (it only took like, 3 reiterations of the question lol) kind of got to an answer about the gas prices (implying they'd stay where they were unless 'dangerous' policies were put in place).

As far as I'm concerned, I'm still undecided, still leaning Obama, and the margin's still fairly slim. This debate didn't really change anything for me.

~Morningfrost

**Hocus Pocus** · 10-17-12, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Hate to interrupt you boys' little circle jerk here, but it appears that Romney won the debate from most of the polls on the subject and of course these two segments - one from a liberal channel and one from a fair and balanced one :-) :

Yeah, you guys are dreaming. Momentum is building. LIBERTY IS RISING! The people are waking up.

As always I want you to remember ONE WORD... Landslide.

I want what you're drinking.

Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2

**Morningfrost** · 10-17-12, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

one from a liberal channel and one from a fair and balanced one :-) :

I assume you're referring to Fox as the liberal channel, because it's "fair and balanced" in the same way I'm a giant pink elephant.

~Morningfrost

**triggerhappy2005** · 10-17-12, 10:55 AM

I thought the second video from Laz was an SNL sketch at first.

Seriously.

Who thinks that those people in the second video really voted for Obama, especially the old guy in camo? Rofl.