Thread: LANDSLIDE? Hidden Vote?

Originally Posted by Fovezer

same for Fast & Furious.

Come on man, had that happened under a Republican president you would have been all over him for it. Obama even exercised his executive privilege to stop documents from being released.

BREAKING: Obama Asserts Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Documents - Business Insider


I see that being just as biased as Laz downplaying the assassination of Obama Bin Laden under the Obama Administration.

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Come on man, had that happened under a Republican president you would have been all over him for it. Obama even exercised his executive privilege to stop documents from being released.

BREAKING: Obama Asserts Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious Documents - Business Insider


I see that being just as biased as Laz downplaying the assassination of Obama Bin Laden under the Obama Administration.

Obama had to be convinced to go get Bin Laden. He turned down multiple chances before that mission to go get him. Thanks for reminding me of that. Yet one more example of poor leadership from our President. How you say you are "unbiased" and don't recognize these facts is interesting to me.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Lol.



Did you sleep through Bush's Presidency or what? Bush gave us two unpaid wars, the PATRIOT Act and other privacy-invading acts, a massive deficit, and an economy in the shitter, the worst since the Great Depression. But yet, the recovery we've made under Obama means he's the worst ever, lol.



Lol, this is the most asinine factor you have. Clinton served two terms and so did Truman. Between them, JFK was assassinated, so he had no chance, LBJ chose not to run for reelection, and Carter lost reelection. How you can extrapolate "Democrats never win two terms" from that is crazy.



And this election is taking place after the worst economic disaster since, wait for it, the Great Depression. Polls show people still don't blame Obama for this mess, so this factor is moot.



Benghazi has been blown out of proportion and lied about by the right, same for Fast & Furious. The Middle East and the Arab Spring had nothing to do with Obama and the "apology tour" is another right wing lie. The Republicans in Congress are the ones who refused to work with Obama and were willing to hurt this country for political gain. Obama's leadership has been far superior to his predecessor. The world prefers Obama to Romney, too, by massive margins, so he must be doing something right.



No, they aren't. The most recent WaPo/ABC poll had 66% very enthusiastic for Obama and 62% very enthusiastic for Romney. Source. Fox News says 92% of Obama voters will definitely vote for him versus 91% for Romney. Source. CBS/NYT has it as 59% very enthusiastic for Obama and 68% for Romney. Source. The numbers do not support the idea that the Republicans are far more enthused than Democrats. They may carry a slight advantage, but it's slight at best.



Wishful thinking. No President or challenger has lost independent voters by a 2 to 1 margin recently. Obama beat the incumbent party in 2008 and won the independent vote by 8%. Kerry only won the independent vote by 1% and lost the election. Bush won them in 2000 by only 2% against the incumbent party and lost the popular vote. So there is absolutely nothing here to support your belief that they go 2-to-1 to the challenger. In fact, it looks like you made that up.



November 6th should be a fun day.

I see you rocking in a corner, in a fetal position, repeating these talking points you keep spewing over and over to comfort yourself. Reality's a bitch.

So I see how you are getting ready to spin things. When I'm right about my prediction, you are going to say I just guessed and got lucky, aren't you? Fovsy you dog you!

On the Truman point by the way - so Truman served two full terms and was elected as President for both of them? Are you sure about that? A history class might be in order for you.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Obama had to be convinced to go get Bin Laden. He turned down multiple chances before that mission to go get him. Thanks for reminding me of that. Yet one more example of poor leadership from our President. How you say you are "unbiased" and don't recognize these facts is interesting to me.

ROFL I mean.....really? I know I'm not the only one laughing and shaking my head in disbelief to that comment. You don't wan't to give him an ounce of credit solely because he had to be "convinced" to go in? hahhahha Like I said, equally as biased as Forever.

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

ROFL I mean.....really? I know I'm not the only one laughing and shaking my head in disbelief to that comment. You don't wan't to give him an ounce of credit solely because he had to be "convinced" to go in? hahhahha Like I said, equally as biased as Forever.

No he gets credit to be sure. But not near as much as you want to give him. Seriously. How hard was that decision? And he had to be convinced after several times of denying requests to go get the guy! Poor leadership. Period.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

It DID start under a Republican president and I said the events have been blown out of proportion by the right, not that there wasn't any truth to them. It was a bad idea that started under Bush and continued under Obama, without approval from either of them, and the Republicans in the House felt it was more important to go after Holder instead of working with the President and Senate to get the country back on track. Right?

Ok now you are just lying. Fast and furious started 10 months into Obama's Presidency. I'm ok with an honest debate but lying just cheapens it, so please stop.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

No he gets credit to be sure. But not near as much as you want to give him. Seriously. How hard was that decision? And he had to be convinced after several times of denying requests to go get the guy! Poor leadership. Period.

Sigh....I can't believe I am engaging in this conversation. You do realize that Bush also had many opportunities to go after him and he passed them up. Why? Well maybe (I'm really not sure) it's because there are repercussions for being wrong. If you make that call and you are wrong, it sets back the entire operation. It lets the opposition know exactly where you have tracked them to, and then they make adjustments accordingly, so it's like starting all over. You have work to regather all the new intelligence about where he might be all over again.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Like I said, November 6th is going to be fun.



He was elected twice, once as VP and once as President, and served all but 82 days of FDR's fourth term. That's enough to say he served two terms.

Oh for God's sake Fov. Truman was not a two term President. He became President because someone DIED. Come on man.