A victory for union workers everywhere.

**Alundil** · 11-16-12, 01:55 PM

"A bird in hand is better than two in the bush" comes to mind. But yay for intractable labor disputes. Especially when the company has obviously been in financial trouble for some time.

**deathgodusmc** · 11-16-12, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Alundil

"A bird in hand is better than two in the bush" comes to mind. But yay for intractable labor disputes. Especially when the company has obviously been in financial trouble for some time.

Yeah thats much better then having the bush, birds in the bush, and the bird in your hand taken away.

**MaFioSo** · 11-16-12, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Very true, but I bet not all of the 18,500 employees find work elsewhere, at least not quickly. For those that do find work this will likely be no big deal. For those that don't, well, I am sure they will still be happy with the fact that they held their ground.

They'll find work but not at the wage they would have earned had they taken the 8% deduction. I really don't mind unions, but they have to be smart enough to understand the business. We can't look at the companies financials but I know they were already in big trouble. Times have changed, people tend to look at their products as bad fatty foods. This combined with the poot state of the economy should have let them know that an 8% pay cut was reasonable. You have a deteriorating product combined with a bad economy and the union doesn't want to take a reasonable pay cut?

As I said, I don't mind unions, I like the idea of workers having some power to fight for a better wage. However a lot of unions that I have seen seem to take advantage and become unreasonable in their demands.

**SmokenScion** · 11-16-12, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

They'll find work but not at the wage they would have earned had they taken the 8% deduction. I really don't mind unions, but they have to be smart enough to understand the business. We can't look at the companies financials but I know they were already in big trouble. Times have changed, people tend to look at their products as bad fatty foods. This combined with the poot state of the economy should have let them know that an 8% pay cut was reasonable. You have a deteriorating product combined with a bad economy and the union doesn't want to take a reasonable pay cut?

As I said, I don't mind unions, I like the idea of workers having some power to fight for a better wage. However a lot of unions that I have seen seem to take advantage and become unreasonable in their demands.

How do you Define Unreasonable?

**CivilWars** · 11-16-12, 02:33 PM

When a bankruptcy judge says "this is the best/only offer" and you say nah.

**deathgodusmc** · 11-16-12, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

When a bankruptcy judge says "this is the best/only offer" and you say nah.

Yeah that qualifies.

**triggerhappy2005** · 11-16-12, 02:37 PM

Workers react to Hostess closing with range of fear to acceptance - Nov. 16, 2012

Bit more fair and balanced article.

**CivilWars** · 11-16-12, 02:49 PM

If they didn't want their job then just quit, or find another one. Don't screw over your co-workers that do want/need their jobs. Oh wait, if they quit they can't get unemployment...

**Fovezer** · 11-16-12, 03:32 PM

So management and the people running the show did a universally terrible job for years it seems and they were in their second bankruptcy. Oh, and one union accepted the concessions, but it's still all the unions fault and management doesn't deserve any blame. Makes sense. Hell, the union probably made them make terrible business decisions, too.