Real (aka old) statistical methodology vs. new

**triggerhappy2005** · 12-07-12, 01:50 PM

Laz, are you by chance a fortune teller?

**-Lazarus-** · 12-07-12, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Yep, still no methodolgy from Laz explaining how they got their estimates. A whole lotta talk but no actual evidence. Same old Laz. "I'm not going to show you how these numbers were reached, you just have to take it on faith because it supports what I believe." Then he wants me to go do the math without giving me the standards the author used. Put up or shut up. Not everyone here agrees with what I say, but you damn well know I will provide any evidence asked for.

This is typical of conspiracy nuts, though, who already have preconceived notions of what has or will happen and cannot look objectively at any evidence. They believe what they do and try to find anything that fits their story, whether it is factual or not. It's a giant delusion.

I just posted the methodology twice now. You know exactly what they are. If you're so interested you can go do the math for yourself. I'm not going to go do the math for you. Or you can pay someone else to do it, which is basically what this guy offers on his site.

Whatever man. Good luck with your propagation of the myth that the economy is recovering as we extend our credit to record highs to prop up a fake recovery, and don't stop the spending spree.

What's sad is you know it's true (unless of course you are delusional, which I doubt) that our economy is about to crash but you'd attack me as a conspiracy nut instead of have a rational discussion about this because it might make your dear leader Obama look bad. It's sick, really. Good luck with that.

**phidan** · 12-07-12, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

I just posted the methodology twice now. You know exactly what they are. If you're so interested you can go do the math for yourself. I'm not going to go do the math for you. Or you can pay someone else to do it, which is basically what this guy offers on his site.

Whatever man. Good luck with your propagation of the myth that the economy is recovering as we extend our credit to record highs to prop up a fake recovery, and don't stop the spending spree.

What's sad is you know it's true (unless of course you are delusional, which I doubt) that our economy is about to crash but you'd attack me as a conspiracy nut instead of have a rational discussion about this because it might make your dear leader Obama look bad. It's sick, really. Good luck with that.

So if that's the methodology, please describe to me in your own words how they got those numbers. You should be able to replicate their numbers.

**Fovezer** · 12-07-12, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

I just posted the methodology twice now. You know exactly what they are. If you're so interested you can go do the math for yourself. I'm not going to go do the math for you. Or you can pay someone else to do it, which is basically what this guy offers on his site.

No, you haven't posted the methodology at all. Do you even know what that is? All you've posted is a pretty graphic and a pretty graph and then told me what was on the graph. You have yet to show me how he got the estimates he came up with to arbitrarily add to the official unemployment statistics. And you continue to refuse to provide that methodology. Laz fail again.

Oh, and look at this:
Unemployment rate drops to 7.7% as economy shrugs off Hurricane Sandy - The Washington Post

But if we use the Lazarus-approved method of finding the REAL unemployment rate, which is apparently just making up numbers to prop up his belief, does that mean it's really at 34.2%? I could even make you a pretty graph that shows that, too, because apparently any graph is considered enough evidence.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Whatever man. Good luck with your propagation of the myth that the economy is recovering as we extend our credit to record highs to prop up a fake recovery, and don't stop the spending spree.

What's sad is you know it's true (unless of course you are delusional, which I doubt) that our economy is about to crash but you'd attack me as a conspiracy nut instead of have a rational discussion about this because it might make your dear leader Obama look bad. It's sick, really. Good luck with that.

Are we going to see you on a show of Doomsday Preppers anytime soon? You've never been interested in any real discussion and you are making that clear right now! I ask you to show me the methodology so I can see how they get these estimates myself, and you refuse to do so! I've asked 3 times now and you've said no every time. How can you say you want a rational discussion when you refuse to answer perfectly reasonable requests for more information? You're full of shit and everyone here knows it.