Pay Raises.

**CivilWars** · 12-30-12, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Edit: And I don't mean for my post to sound rude or anything. I do believe you are working hard and I really do think you deserve a raise, but they're a lot of hardworking people that also deserve raises yet they're taking pay cuts. So why should we use taxpayer money to give raises to federal employees when the taxpayers themselves are taking pay cuts? Really I don't see the logic in it, and I'm looking for someone to explain why these pay raises are appropriate at a time like this.

Because the messiah said so?

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**deathgodusmc** · 12-30-12, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

I agree 2 years is a long time to go without a raise. I think the average American would also agree with this, however the average American has seen a drop of 8% in their incomes over the last few years. So no raises for them, in fact they are seeing there wages diminish considerably, so why should federal employees receive a raise when the rest of the working class is suffering? Never mind the fact that these federal raises are being paid by taxes on the already diminishing wages of the average American.

Yeah lets also not forget about no budget passed and still running at a deficit.

**MaFioSo** · 12-30-12, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gumby

It's not an automatic raise. It's an end to the pay freeze. I now will actually get the raise I qualified for. As opposed to in the past when no matter what I did there would be no raises for me.

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Well that does change my opinion slightly, the fact that it's not an automatic pay raise and you did have qualify for it. Still I don't agree with it. Really my biggest objection to this is the state of our economy and the health of American wages. If this were 2007, I would say go for it, economy is doing well and American wages are increasing so why not give a tax raise to federal employees? But it's not, its 2013 (almost), the economy is staggering and the wages which are taxed to pay for federal wages are in decline. Add in the fact that federal jobs already pay (including benefits) at a higher rate than private sector jobs and I think most people will conclude that these federal wage increases are not justified.

**Gumby** · 12-30-12, 08:54 PM

So it is your opinion that hard work, productivity, and saving the taxpayers money should not be rewarded?

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**yungryder** · 12-30-12, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Edit: And I don't mean for my post to sound rude or anything. I do believe you are working hard and I really do think you deserve a raise, but they're a lot of hardworking people that also deserve raises yet they're taking pay cuts. So why should we use taxpayer money to give raises to federal employees when the taxpayers themselves are taking pay cuts? Really I don't see the logic in it, and I'm looking for someone to explain why these pay raises are appropriate at a time like this.

Because as Gumby has mentioned it is in essence NOT a raise but an end to a freeze that had a two year time frame. Unfortunately, the time frame concludes during a time of economical anguish. This freeze came into effect in 2010, and was placed to cut back on budget. He could have proposed another freeze, but didn't. So now things will go back to normal for us Federal Employees.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-30-12, 08:58 PM

In the real world if your pay goes up its a raise regardless if there was a pay freeze before hand.

**yungryder** · 12-30-12, 09:01 PM

In real life, when something has a time frame. It usually has an end in sight.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-30-12, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gumby

So it is your opinion that hard work, productivity, and saving the taxpayers money should not be rewarded?

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Government employees on average are over paid for the duties they perform. However i wouldn't even be opposed to a raise as long as the fed got a budget in place while running without a deficit. If they cant meet those requirements then no they dont get a raise without shit being talked. That being said elected officials that haven't been getting the job done giving themselves a raise is a slap in the face to everyone that pays the taxes their way over priced salary comes from.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-30-12, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by yungryder

In real life, when something has a time frame. It usually has an end in sight.

Says the government employee for a government that has no idea how to meet a timeline to the contractor thats comes in ahead of schedule much less never missed a deadline.