Thread: Just a simple question:

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Is it also a crime to you to take bribes to make such loopholes?

Technically it's not, because there "campaign contributions", but it should be a crime. It really is a bribe, a private interest is giving you money to buy advertisements for your campaign and once elected you then work on the behalf of that interest group. Again the problem with this is that the politicians are working for those private interest groups that put helped them get it elected, but nobody is working on the behalf of the American people. As result the American people get screwed by both the Dems and Reps.

Just take a moment and think about all of the legislation that has been passed that doesn't benefit the American people. Does giving subsidies to record profit oil companies help the American people? How about giving nearly a trillion dollars to green energy companies? Or how about passing loop holes so that big corporations that make billions in profits pay 0 in taxes? How about giving trillions in dollars to bailout big business, while letting the small business and the American homeowner sink? How about thousand page stimulus bills, filled with backroom deals for private interest worth hundreds of billions, in which congress is only given a couple hours to vote on?

Do these things benefit the American people? Because unfortunately they are all paid by the tax dollars of the American people yet they don't benefit the tax payers.

It almost sounds like you are saying the system is broken, and not the pawns playing in the system. I think I have heard that very argument somewhere before on TPG, but can't recall who said it...

Well, thanks for participating in this thread. I am aware of several of those stats Mafioso was kind enough to point out. Be aware of how much money those corporations donate to each party. It will sicken you.

We are being drug around, by our noses by each major party. Many tend to like Democrats, while some posters like Republicans...allegedly. I am too conservative for today's limp-wristed Republican sissy-assed party.. they are nutless bullshit...as guilty of screwing our country up as is Barney Franks, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosy, Cool Biden and Obee. We, as Americans, are getting played. They love this party fighting, PERIOD.

Please visit your local library and READ the constitution, Bill of Rights and Amendments. Also study what philosophers were studied during all the writing.

Bottom line, you should offer charity to your neighbor in need. You should not, however, be forced to support your neighbor in need when they are not willing to get up and attempt recovery. There are too many mooches on our system for me to accept that they are all truely NEEDY.

I feel that my money earned is my responsibility to handle. If I am a greedy bastard, then that would be my perogative. The result would be self-destructive if my money should stop, right? Who would want to help me out if I had no record of helping others? My merit is my business. My walk at the end of life is also mine to trip and fall. Life is a bunch of falling down and getting back up. Bullshit if I am to believe that America is this damn needy. Bullshit!

Get a job if you don't have one. I have had some shitty jobs that just plain sucked. They paid and I survived. If you make phat money, go visit an orphanage or children's hospital...you'll figure out what to do.

Thank you again for your input, regardless of what you chose to say...you will always have said what you were thinking at that moment in time. If it was right, you'll never regret it. If it was low-hearted, you have your actions in life to consider.

Hitch

Going to use this quote for this post:

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

It seems there are, at the least, a fair amount of people who think too much of the first is done. Personally I don't think there is, there is some fraud in the systems that essentially do so, but it is small. Now I can be swayed more to the idea that giving people money, with what is probably some if not a lot that don't have great money management, isn't going to solve anything. Even though the amounts are less then people also love to make it out to be.

However, it also seems most of the people that think too much of the first is done, don't want the second being done either. I mean they seem to support the man teaching himself to fish, but I don't think that is realistic in a lot of cases. The teaching is also better for society (though in my opinion many of the people who I'm characterizing here seem to not give two shits about what is good for society), so is just doing the first part, but the second part is much better for society then the first.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Lovely troll thread, tho.

Right
on
time.

You one-shot wonders seem to not get the point. Point is, of course people on the DOLE will vote to keep strapping those of us who are willing to work for our money. Why is that ok? Let the mooches have a voice? Really? The camp idea is a good one, however, my camp would ensure that people fo ANY means are found a way to work.

I personally think that only handicapped persons, those with limited use of thier bodies (for those of you in la-la land) should be allowed to do telemarketing and tele-survey jobs. At least we would all know that they are trying and perhaps, give thier pitch a listen.

Originally Posted by Hitch

You one-shot wonders seem to not get the point. Point is, of course people on the DOLE will vote to keep strapping those of us who are willing to work for our money. Why is that ok? Let the mooches have a voice? Really? The camp idea is a good one, however, my camp would ensure that people fo ANY means are found a way to work.

I personally think that only handicapped persons, those with limited use of thier bodies (for those of you in la-la land) should be allowed to do telemarketing and tele-survey jobs. At least we would all know that they are trying and perhaps, give thier pitch a listen.

I'm sorry, but this is pure idiocy. If I didn't know you any better, I'd honestly assume you were just being one of those attention-whore trolls who says the most idiotic things they can think of to antagonize people and start arguments. But this is probably worse, because you're serious!

You haven't made a coherent argument at all this whole thread. There is no point to your madness. At all. You are railing against "moochers" on the dole who are taking your money and you want to start taking away rights, yet you haven't even defined what constitutes a "moocher" in your view. What is really happening is you are dehumanizing a group people you don't like, and quite frankly, it's disgusting. To you, these "things" aren't people at all and as such, are not worthy of the same rights as you or I. I just can't wrap my mind around being that hateful and resentful of other people. Even for groups of people I do not like, I would NEVER advocate taking away a right from them. Where does it end with control freaks like you? Oh no, someone said something that offended you! Gotta outlaw that, too!

And where the hell are you getting this idea that everyone on government assistance doesn't work at all? Are you really that naive? Also, you do realize that most people on assistance have little education and cannot find anything better than minimum wage jobs, if that? That doesn't always pay all the bills. And I don't see you blaming companies like Walmart for intentionally keeping employees underemployed so they don't have to pay benefits and force their own employees onto government aid. But no, that'd mean you actually have to think about the question you proposed, but trolls don't do that. You just throw shit out there to see what sticks. You were never interested in a real discussion about government assistance.