New Immigration Policy on the way?

**Ranger10** · 01-28-13, 03:04 PM

I look at immigration this way...

If someone is willing to swim a deadly, fast flowing river, cross an inhospitable desert with only the food and water on their backs, while dodging guys with guns just to work in our country, they are the people I WANT here. I just want them to use the front door. Don't insult those who have come before you, yet did it the "right way", but going around the system. We can, and should, certainly streamline it. But we've needed to make the process better for a long time.

And deportation of those who don't should be priority one. Penalizing those companies who hire illegals are just as at fault.

**Morningfrost** · 01-28-13, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bubbasam

The problem with that statement is that it is not always black and white when it comes to proving whether businesses knowingly hired an illegal worker. If someone comes into my restaurant and I decide to hire them, all of the required paperwork is filled out, and all the required documentation is copied and filed per the US Government. If that documentation turns out to be forged, I can tell you the system we have in place doesn't have the ability to find out for 6 to 9 months.
Anyway, I could tell you things about this system we have that shows just how broken it is. Hopefully this will be the first step in fixing it.

I'm mostly talking about the businesses that pay illegals under the table. If you're submitting paperwork (that may or may not be false), you're not one of the companies I'd want to go after.

~Morningfrost

**Xavsnipe** · 01-28-13, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Even with reform Xav, it's unlikely they'll allow your donkey to become a citizen.

~Morningfrost

So it´s allowed to have sex with animals in approx. 20 states in the U.S. yet they will not be given citizenship? Outrageous!

**deathgodusmc** · 01-28-13, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

I'm hoping for more punishments on business' that hire illegals, to be honest, and better ways to check if they are. The biggest reason we have illegal immigration is because there's work here and we hire them. If they don't get hired here and can't make money here, we'll have a LOT less illegal immigration. We may still have people fleeing here from other countries for whatever reason (civil war, cartels, etc.), but we won't have illegals in the same numbers as we have right now.

The best way to punish illegals that continue to dodge the system though, I believe, is deportation. Putting them in jail for being here illegally really just ups our own costs since we're footing their bill for however long they're in prison. Ship them back home, the U.S. will gladly spring for the price of their ticket, since it's significantly less than the price of housing and feeding them in prison lol. Obviously there are valid exceptions, such as people seeking political asylum (people targeted by civil wars, etc.), but in the overwhelming majority of cases the answer is just to send them home.

~Morningfrost

I would like to see it run in both directions. Businesses should most definitely not get a free ride if they are knowingly working illegals.

**Morningfrost** · 01-28-13, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

So it´s allowed to have sex with animals in approx. 20 states in the U.S. yet they will not be given citizenship? Outrageous!

You'll take what you're given (in this case, donkey cock) and you'll like it. Quit yer complainin

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I would like to see it run in both directions. Businesses should most definitely not get a free ride if they are knowingly working illegals.

That's exactly what I'd like as well. I hope they up the punishments on those businesses, and wouldn't mind even if the punishments put a few out of business. Let them serve as an example: Do things the right way, or don't do them at all.

~Morningfrost

**deathgodusmc** · 01-28-13, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

That's exactly what I'd like as well. I hope they up the punishments on those businesses, and wouldn't mind even if the punishments put a few out of business. Let them serve as an example: Do things the right way, or don't do them at all.

~Morningfrost

As a legal member of the construction industry i welcome them to ride out with fines like those. Just means more work for me.

**Morningfrost** · 01-28-13, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

As a legal member of the construction industry i welcome them to ride out with fines like those. Just means more work for me.

I believe the term that most accurately defines the size of the fines I want is "Soul-Crushing" lol.

~Morningfrost

**Red_Lizard2** · 01-28-13, 05:58 PM

The biggest issue in terms of going through legal channels over coming illegally is, at least from what I hear, the legal channels are kind of fucked up. Basically when people think it is easier to get here by going the way Ranger said then going through the proper channels is a pretty big clue something either needs to be fixed or streamlined (iirc, the costs are pretty high as well, at least by Mexico standards especially for low skilled workers).

The only issue I had was the favoring of advanced degrees from those who studied in the U.S. Not because it is a bad idea, but why not for anyone with an advanced degree? Obviously keeping the talented people here is incredibly important, but again I think it is better to take people who studied in France or England etc. etc. as well as those in the U.S. Granted that may already be the case (minus the US part) and just don't know it.

**~BigTymer~** · 01-29-13, 02:15 AM

if the Gov couldn't enforce the current laws, why would they enforce these new laws?

**dex71** · 01-29-13, 05:03 AM

Businesses shouldn't be the front line for dealing with illeagals. Important, yes, but they are set-up to create/harvest/produce widgets....not policing illegal immagrants. Reform needs to hit all fronts. We need a streamlined way to become an American citizen, but we also need to come down HARD on those who choose to live here illegally. They get pulled over, the car becomes ours. We get called to a house owned by an illegal, it becomes ours. We need to make the US a terribly hard place to live illegally. Both on the workfront as well as off the clock.