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03-28-13, 11:42 AM #53
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03-28-13, 12:08 PM #56
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The point is that the federal government has no right to define marriage. And marriage is a religious institution. Period. I talked about my view as a Christian, but marriage applies in many faiths. If they want to define civil unions for the purposes of conveying special rights and privileges I'm fine with that. But it should not be called marriage. By the way making the pagan reference is silly because paganism is a religion too!
I for one would think that atheists and other non-religious people would be wholeheartedly in support of civil unions being added to the mix because it would allow them to keep religion completely out of it.
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03-28-13, 12:11 PM #57
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I agree with most of what you said but this part bothers me a lot.
Marriage is not a religious institution. It has not been for a VERY long time. I have had a Common Law Marriage. A 100% legal issue. Nothing religious about it. For a VERY long time you have been able to be married by a justice of the peace. A legal move not a religious one.
My point is Marriage is already a legal issue not a religious one. This doesn't change that fact at all, just expands who is covered by the issue.
I have no problem if a church declines to marry two people for what ever reason (Catholic vs divorce comes to mind) but that does not stop them from getting the exact same thing legally and it is still called and legally defined as marriage.SgtRazor liked this post
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03-28-13, 12:23 PM #58
Re: SCOTUS decides on Prop 8 :D
Why can't it be called marriage? Because it goes against what you believe? Who are you to decide what the true definition of marriage is? What makes your bible correct? Are you saying that everyone who doesn't agree with the bible is wrong? You're allowed to believe in something, just as others are allowed, but your belief is attempting to demean others by saying you're not worthy of using our sacred word, "Marriage."
To me that's not a belief. That's nonacceptance, and it's disgraceful.
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03-28-13, 12:33 PM #59
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It's funny you should mention common law and then say that it is a purely legal thing. The very root of common law stems from religious values. Thus the marriage tradition as recognized in common law comes from religious values at its roots. Maybe you're surprised to hear that, I don't know, but you aren't going to escape religion's impact on the world by simply denying it.
I understand what you're saying, in that this is a complicated issue because of how the law has always looked at marriage. That's because when common law and other systems of law were created...
1. The law generally didn't confer special rights and privileges on married people, and...
2. Those alive when the foundations of common law were created didn't think two dudes or two women would be seeking to be recognized as married under the law, because there was no reason BUT a religious reason to do so.
Once special rights and privileges became associated with marriage, everything started getting screwed up. As I said, if the state wants to add recognition of civil unions to be equal to marriage, that is a MUCH better solution than to attack the institution of marriage itself. Strangely though, your average gay activist group has no interest in doing that. Why do you think that is again?
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03-28-13, 12:35 PM #60
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Who are you to decide it? Who are you to demean my beliefs and be intolerant of my beliefs? Especially when there is a solution that would not? That infringes on my religious rights, plain and simple. I mean hell, if we can re-route an entire pipeline to protect a freaking woodpecker, surely we can protect the rights of everyone? Right?
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