Thread: Welcome to our Post-Constitutional America.

Originally Posted by dex71

While that all may be true, there is another side. Whatever this generation lacks (and there is quite a bit they are lacking fo sho), they make up for in bravery and sense of duty. The fact that today's kids are still signing up for the military knowing full-well that they will be headed into combat shows that many are engaged with what is going on. Today's 18yo recruit was ~6yo when 9/11 happened. We have been at war ever since, and today's kids still line up to sign up. So......there is some hope.

I condemn these acts. I respect all service men and women but not the war they fight. Our young men and women should be boycotting the military not joining it. On 9/11 we were ruthlessly attacked by cowards with a few planes yes but due to the amount of things still to this day that has yet to be explained by the government the events of that day still do not condone our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. More citizens of those two countries died in the first year of our occupations than Americans did on 9/11 and it continues today with 90% of those killed being non combatants. While I respect all those who chose to serve our country and would support them if called upon to do so I cannot support the wars they have fought in the last few decades.

The worst thing about it all is that the biggest killer in the military today isn't enemy fire. The biggest killer in our military is suicide due to PTSD.

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Originally Posted by SourceSkills

I condemn these acts. I respect all service men and women but not the war they fight. Our young men and women should be boycotting the military not joining it. On 9/11 we were ruthlessly attacked by cowards with a few planes yes but due to the amount of things still to this day that has yet to be explained by the government the events of that day still do not condone our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. More citizens of those two countries died in the first year of our occupations than Americans did on 9/11 and it continues today with 90% of those killed being non combatants. While I respect all those who chose to serve our country and would support them if called upon to do so I cannot support the wars they have fought in the last few decades.

The worst thing about it all is that the biggest killer in the military today isn't enemy fire. The biggest killer in our military is suicide due to PTSD.

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Saddam killed FAR more Iraqi citizens than we could have in 3 wars. Those mass graves weren't filling themselves.

One of his more productive days:
Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No telling how many more Iraqi's would be dead by now if we didn't go in. Sure, we were sold a pile of shit, but good did come out of it.

Originally Posted by dex71

Saddam killed FAR more Iraqi citizens than we could have in 3 wars. Those mass graves weren't filling themselves.

One of his more productive days:
Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No telling how many more Iraqi's would be dead by now if we didn't go in. Sure, we were sold a pile of shit, but good did come out of it.

Saddam maybe but we are not Saddam and comparing us to him is a bullshit excuse and insults me.

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I urge you all to look at my username and then take a step back and understand that there is always success in war. There are always going to be casualties, there will always be grief, and there will always be broken hearts, but what a lot of people don't understand is that these feelings and actions of war are always for a greater cause and they're never taken lightly. Whether or not you agree that it's a greater cause is irrelevant, because it may not be your cause. It's always someone's cause and there is no plausible deniability that their cause isn't as important as yours. Moral judgement can sometimes stand in the way, but there was a time when we as Americans slaughtered and raped inhabitants in order to achieve a greater good. While it may be wrong, there was success, we're all here, we're all free to do as much as we wish, and we don't have to sell raw goods only to purchase them from our buyer at an exaggerated rate, and ultimately; we still call ourselves Americans. That's whats important.

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Or maybe Smoken, just maybe....it was one of the overwhelming majority of subs that are used as deterrents, rather than being "sent out to kill".

Please stop shitting on the military, because joining the military is NOT the same as being "sent out to kill".

~Morningfrost

Frost I want to thank you for making that comment. I appreciate that you said that a lot.

Originally Posted by SourceSkills

Saddam maybe but we are not Saddam and comparing us to him is a bullshit excuse and insults me.

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Then don't compare us to him I guess.

It was YOU who called attention to the number of Iraqi citizens killed in our first year of combat. All I did was point out the fact that we made it a MUCH safer place to be an Iraqi, and not a certain death sentence to be part of the Kurdish population. The war that you didn't support had some good come from it, and if that offends you, too bad. If everyone jumped on board with your "boycott" idea, the World would most likely be fewer a shit-ton of Iraqis, and damn-near Kurd free by now.

Trigger,
Please clarify your statements. On one post your comments indicate that you understand that the military offers a great deal for young people who need a job with good pay and benefits so most who join are in it for the money. But then when you ask Laz to break it down by hourly, you seem to be saying that it's not a good paying job. If it not a good paying job then it seems to me that there must be some idealism going on. Please clarify. Also you have said that your family has some military folks in it. Do you know if they joined for the job opportunities or because of some sense of service?

Personally, I work with these guys every day and I see more in it for the job. You can spot the idealistic ones pretty easily. We usually nickname them something like Captain America. That's not to discredit anyone's service though. My two airmen that report to me are great guys who work hard. But there is no doubt of why they joined.

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Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Don't mean to derail the conversation of the thread but here is the video of Pastor Anderson being removed from his vehicle and being tazed




And the verdict, not guilty on all charges:





Still in the process of watching the entire jury trial. . .

Heck no man, this was the topic, not the other discussion... Check this out:

http://sanderson1611.blogspot.com/20...n-all.html?m=1

Absolutely awesome.