Do you really have the right to carry a gun in public?

**Nuckle** · 07-31-13, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Adretheon

Yes, the civil suite BS is really fucked up and it should be fixed. But you don't believe in second chances? Some guy is down on his luck and robs a house to make ends meet and he deserves to die for that? Even if he's not, I don't think death justifies a non armed robbery.

Once he gets away with it no I do not think he deserves to die over a theft. While he is in the act and in my home he is of the highest threat imaginable in my mind. I will eliminate him unless he drops on his face with his arms spread. I am not there to punish him. I am there to protect me, my wife and my property. If he hesitates it leaves me vulnerable for his accomplice to jump me, take me gun and kill us all. I am not taking that chance. If you break into my home you likely will not get a second chance. I doubt I would shoot someone running from me in a normal theft situation most certainly not if they make it out of my home.

**Morningfrost** · 07-31-13, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Yes, because heaven forbid we do something that might actually harm criminals. I mean we wouldn't want one of them to accidentally get shot as they robbed the homes of innocent people.

I've got absolutely no problem with a person defending their home, with as much lethal force as they can legally own (please, no .50 cals). I actually wish there were more responsible gun owners who owned simply for this reason. Guns for home defense are like insurance, they're there in case shit happens.

What I'm not ok with though, is my neighbor defending my house with his gun(s). Too much opportunity for a tragic mistake. What if I've giving a friend of mine a TV and the neighbor shoots them as they're taking the TV to their vehicle?

I don't want the neighborhood watch armed. Your job is to observe and report, not play Keystone Kop.

~Morningfrost

**Adretheon** · 07-31-13, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

I won't know if they are armed or not until they are long dead. I'm not stopping firing to find out. They ran out of second chances the second hey encounter me....in my home. Their presence is a lethal threat as far as I'm concerned. That is the price of doing their business. Every job has risks, they decided to take their chances.

It's for sure part of the risk, but most home robberies are done because the robbers assume no ones home. Criminals know that you have every right to shot them so they target homes that are muti-leveled or homes where people are gone a lot. I bet if you look at the stats a majority of suburban home robberies are committed by non-armed criminals, cause they aren't looking to confront anyone just get in and get out.

**Morningfrost** · 07-31-13, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Adretheon

Yes, the civil suite BS is really fucked up and it should be fixed. But you don't believe in second chances? Some guy is down on his luck and robs a house to make ends meet and he deserves to die for that? Even if he's not, I don't think death justifies a non armed robbery.

No offense Dre, but I'm not gonna Dr. Phil someone breaking into my house in an effort to find out what happened in their childhood to make them predisposed to crime.

~Morningfrost

**Adretheon** · 07-31-13, 06:05 PM

lol well obviously you wouldn't go that far. I'm saying that most cases of home robberies don't require deadly force.

**BigHub** · 07-31-13, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

I've got absolutely no problem with a person defending their home, with as much lethal force as they can legally own (please, no .50 cals). I actually wish there were more responsible gun owners who owned simply for this reason. Guns for home defense are like insurance, they're there in case shit happens.

What I'm not ok with though, is my neighbor defending my house with his gun(s). Too much opportunity for a tragic mistake. What if I've giving a friend of mine a TV and the neighbor shoots them as they're taking the TV to their vehicle?

I don't want the neighborhood watch armed. Your job is to observe and report, not play Keystone Kop.

~Morningfrost

Castle Law baby.. I gave my neighbors permission to shoot anybody stealing/breaking into my shit. I also let them know if anybody is supposed to be stopping by.

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**dex71** · 07-31-13, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Adretheon

It's for sure part of the risk, but most home robberies are done because the robbers assume no ones home. Criminals know that you have every right to shot them so they target homes that are muti-leveled or homes where people are gone a lot. I bet if you look at the stats a majority of suburban home robberies are committed by non-armed criminals, cause they aren't looking to confront anyone just get in and get out.

And that is fine. If I am not home, they are not a threat to me.

However, if I am, that is the chance they took. They bet their life, and likely will lose it.

And if they were to so much as TOUCH a hair on my dog, I will guarantee they won't make it. In fact, I would then enjoy making them suffer.

**BigHub** · 07-31-13, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Adretheon

lol well obviously you wouldn't go that far. I'm saying that most cases of home robberies don't require deadly force.

Not at my house.. you will meet Mr..40cal and his 15 little buddies.. and they can run much faster than you.

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**iravedic** · 07-31-13, 06:14 PM

Frankly, this thread wasn't intended to bring into question your actions in your own home. The law on defense in your home is fairly well settled.

The issue is to what extent do those rights exist outside of your home - now you are not in a position to expect absolute security, you are out in society where your rights are no better than anyone else's who may be walking around. When you are at home - the castle laws confirm that you have a higher ability to protect yourself and your property. When you are out in public though, different rules apply - it's been a long time since the days of the old west.

**iravedic** · 07-31-13, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

And if they were to so much as TOUCH a hair on my dog, I will guarantee they won't make it. In fact, I would then enjoy making them suffer.

If I'm reading this right - I totally agree. I firmly believe the best deterrent is a big ole mean ass dog - I doubt I would ever have to pull out my shotty to deal with an intruder, his ass would already be chewed up before I could put my feet on the floor.