Reasonable Gun restrictions - need some help here...

**deputyfestus** · 09-13-13, 09:09 PM

The very fact that this thread has went 32 pgs is beyond me. HEY do what the fuck you want as long as it's not hurtin anyone without reason to do so.

**Morningfrost** · 09-14-13, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Fuckin grammar nazi.

If you go thru everything i have said not once did i say they didnt expire. Ive only been saying you have to have one to get all that shit. I dont think we can argue whether or not the due expire. Its a given but in most cases your really left with no choice but to renew them.

You may not have explicitly said they did not expire, but using things like bank accounts and shit like that as your example is flawed for many reasons.

Now all that being said, I think the voter laws we have right now are stupid, and I could actually get behind a law requiring the showing of a photo ID....but there would obviously be conditions for me to support such a law. For one, it'd have to be free. The right to vote is absolute and is something you're born with (though you can lose it through your own stupidity), and this ID having a price tag essentially means you're charging a person to vote. Second, implement it immediately after an election. Right now, the only time voter ID laws are even brought up and bandied about is right before a goddamned election, and they want to change things for that election. Change it after an election, and that gives everybody plenty of time to hear about the new requirement and conform to it. For example, implement it directly after the mid-Presidential-term elections (I don't know the proper name lol), and if someone hasn't been able to conform to that new law in the roughly 2 years before the Presidential elections, then that's their fault and fuck-em.

~Morningfrost

**deathgodusmc** · 09-14-13, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

You may not have explicitly said they did not expire, but using things like bank accounts and shit like that as your example is flawed for many reasons.

Now all that being said, I think the voter laws we have right now are stupid, and I could actually get behind a law requiring the showing of a photo ID....but there would obviously be conditions for me to support such a law. For one, it'd have to be free. The right to vote is absolute and is something you're born with (though you can lose it through your own stupidity), and this ID having a price tag essentially means you're charging a person to vote. Second, implement it immediately after an election. Right now, the only time voter ID laws are even brought up and bandied about is right before a goddamned election, and they want to change things for that election. Change it after an election, and that gives everybody plenty of time to hear about the new requirement and conform to it. For example, implement it directly after the mid-Presidential-term elections (I don't know the proper name lol), and if someone hasn't been able to conform to that new law in the roughly 2 years before the Presidential elections, then that's their fault and fuck-em.

~Morningfrost

I disagree on it being flawed. I think you guys are trying really hard to pull something out your ass on this but its a two sided issue so its all good. I also agree with you on one point and i know i said it a few times in the past. ID cards not dl's should be free of charge. If we're going to make it so damned hard to do with without id then that id should be free.

**Nuckle** · 09-14-13, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I disagree on it being flawed. I think you guys are trying really hard to pull something out your ass on this but its a two sided issue so its all good. I also agree with you on one point and i know i said it a few times in the past. ID cards not dl's should be free of charge. If we're going to make it so damned hard to do with without id then that id should be free.

I agree