Thread: Mark Knoller is a BOSS

First, I like Mark Knoller. I think he's been a pretty good journo over the years (and coming from me that is saying A LOT as I typically have a pretty low opinion of most of them). That said, I'm not certain why the "Outrage" level is, seemingly, pegged at 100%. But whatever. It's your shtick at this point. Equal pendulum counterpoint to other folks around the forum. So...... "Fair and Balanced"

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Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Especially because the notion that we have needed health care reform for each of the last 30 years is ridiculous.

Without any regard to my very strong opinion (and repeated statements) that I do not care for the ACA as I don't think it targeted the proper problem(s) in the first place.....

Your quoted comment is patently ridiculous. Regardless of which side of the aisle you're on, "we" (read: The United States of America) have needed reform in healthcare AND health insurance industries for at least 3 decades, at a minimum. And I've been intimately familiar with the healthcare side of that industry for a decade already.
Pants on head ridiculous. Seriously.

Originally Posted by Alundil

First, I like Mark Knoller. I think he's been a pretty good journo over the years (and coming from me that is saying A LOT as I typically have a pretty low opinion of most of them). That said, I'm not certain why the "Outrage" level is, seemingly, pegged at 100%. But whatever. It's your shtick at this point. Equal pendulum counterpoint to other folks around the forum. So...... "Fair and Balanced"

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I think that you don't understand the outrage because you're part of the choir that Obama's preaching to. The man can absolutely do no wrong where some people are concerned, even including his serial lying and attempts to suppress the media and all the rest of it, and as frustrating as that is for me to see, I accept that there are people like that out there. I swear sometimes I think if Obama declared a state of emergency under 50 USC § 1621 and just took over as dictator citing as the reason the shutdown, certain states refusing to enforce provisions in the NDAA or Obamacare or if the debt limit doesn't get raised that these same people would just support that and make more excuses. They certainly don't seem to have a problem with Obama overstepping his Constitutional bounds so far.

It's just sad.

Originally Posted by Alundil

Without any regard to my very strong opinion (and repeated statements) that I do not care for the ACA as I don't think it targeted the proper problem(s) in the first place.....

Your quoted comment is patently ridiculous. Regardless of which side of the aisle you're on, "we" (read: The United States of America) have needed reform in healthcare AND health insurance industries for at least 3 decades, at a minimum. And I've been intimately familiar with the healthcare side of that industry for a decade already.
Pants on head ridiculous. Seriously.

I'm glad we agree on the legislation, but, well I think you're wrong about the need for healthcare reform in America. I mean using that timeframe you're basically saying the health insurance industry has needed reform almost from the time it first existed! lol We'll have to agree to disagree. Maybe signup rates for Obamacare will confirm what I think, and maybe they won't. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

I swear sometimes I think if Obama declared a state of emergency under 50 USC § 1621 and just took over as dictator citing as the reason the shutdown

All I was saying was the if he did it, you'd support it. There's no doubt in my mind. Al, not so much. But you, no doubt.

Is there anything this President could do that would illicit anything more than a "who cares" or some supportive response from you? Be honest now. What would he have to do?

Originally Posted by Alundil

If you think that I (that's bolded for your pleasure) am in the "Choir he's preaching to" then a few things....

A. You don't know me, and nor have you taken the time to figure out where I'm coming from or even attempt, honestly, to see past the end of your nose
B. You haven't bothered to read any of my past "lengthy" rants on the present administration (but with all the one sided sites on the interwebz to visit I understand you're backlogged)
C. Now I KNOW there's no point in engaging in a discussion with you as ALL of them devolve into meaningless drivel unworthy of the server space the bits and bytes occupy.

Ridiculous <full stop>

I know what I have seen and what I have read, right here on this forum. And most of the time something negative or damaging or potentially damaging is posted by anyone, not just myself, about President Obama, you tend to defend the administration (remember that saying you fail to see how this is meaningful or whatever can also be a passive defense - you do plenty of that too). The only time I can recall that you differed from what I said is that you spoke out (though not vehemently by any means) about the NSA stuff the administration has signed off on.

I have no doubt that you have some issues with the current administration. I sincerely believe you must, considering how fucked up the administration is - every single person here (with the exception of maybe Trigger - lol) probably has some problem or other with this administration.

But you regularly come after those who point out why they have any level of indignation with the current administration and position a defense on their behalf - it may be mild or strong but a defense nonetheless. You are regularly dismissive or derisive of anyone who expresses such opinions. So, I'm not surprised to see you defending Obama when he says that he won't sign bills to fund continued cancer research or veterans' death benefits, etc. or whatever because if he did it might lessen the political pressure that he thinks is currently on Republicans. This was him saying this stuff himself, not someone else saying it. I think that's a fucked up position for our President to take, and it appears I'm not the only one. If you don't agree with the President saying what he said then just say so. Or you can defend him, which is what it appears you did. Thus my response.

I didn't call you a liberal commie pinko or anything of the sort. Nor do I think that's what you are. I like reading what you have to say, usually, even if it is usually counter to a position I'm for. I just think what you might want to do is look inward and at your own behavior with regard to what I'm saying before you come tell me my perception of the reasoning behind your defense of the administration on this issue is dead wrong. If you choose not to do that it's your prerogative. Doesn't change what you do or how you do it, because only you can decide to change that.

And I'm sorry if you're insulted by what I said or how I said it, but I can only be honest and straight with you, as I expect you are with me.

Or shit, maybe you just like playing devil's advocate. I dunno. But it is what it is.