Closed due to paying customers.

**deathgodusmc** · 02-07-14, 05:52 AM

Im gonna go out on a limb and say working in the construction field i deal with more homeless people then the average person. I know the people, i know the game, and i know the reality of what the bulk of them are doing. I've been hiring and firing people for 20 years. I can tell most times when someone is worth the effort and when they aren't. I've given some jobs and watched them crash and burn because that money isn't for getting their life back together. Its for that next beer or that next high 99% of the time.

If want to have fun for 5 minutes go find one holding a sign that says will work for food and tell him you have some work for him to do. 9 times out of ten your not gonna get a smile and a thank you.

**Nuckle** · 02-07-14, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

I don't volunteer anywhere nor do I really have a desire to do so. What I *do* is help someone whenever I can. DG is tired of people standing on corners asking for money... and they should get a job because they are out there... But let me tell you. When you don't have a fixed place to call home; or clean clothing; the means to get a haircut; or other things we tend to take for granted then it becomes quite the hurdle to do other simple things. Try getting a bank account, id, etc. And without ID, a bank account, an address to call home, or those other niceties like the ability to remain somewhat hygenic... There's not a lot of places that will give you a second look if you put in an application to work there. Nobody wants to take a chance on some smelly homeless guy with a three day growth of beard. Especially if they have other qualified people in the queue as well.

I agree partially with what you said here and truly want it to be 100% fact. All that goes away though every time I drive by a homeless shelter and see hundreds of things that need to be done. Things that only require a little labor by those sitting around smoking cigarets. To me the right path starts there. Hey, I am here for a free meal and a warm bed. After I am fed and rested I will pick up trash or help you move XYZ or whatever. But you do not see that, what you see is those that are already giving also coming to the shelter to do the work as well. A shelter should NEVER be in the need of manual labor but they always seem to be asking for volunteers.

**MaFioSo** · 02-07-14, 01:07 PM

I don't see how anyone can pass judgment without knowing all of the facts. They maybe paying customers but they may also be loitering in the diner for long hours to avoid the cold.

**Warprosper** · 02-07-14, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

I don't see how anyone can pass judgment without knowing all of the facts. They maybe paying customers but they may also be loitering in the diner for long hours to avoid the cold.

I agree. I think there is some serious health and safety concerns that aren't being discussed. It's a lot more than just odor..

**Kraker Jak** · 02-07-14, 01:52 PM

Dude, Kanati, Aladdin's Castle's were the SHIT!!!

We had one here in Indianapolis!

**SmokenScion** · 02-07-14, 02:19 PM

Apparently no one here knows how a homeless shelter works.

At 6am, you are kicked out. To find a job, beg for food, Drugs or whatever..... You can't stay in the shelter during the day. Soo all your "got to the Shelter" logic is Null. You're all wrong.

Also, Volunteer for a soup kitchen once in a while please.

**Guyver** · 02-07-14, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Not gloating. Just explaining my position. If you cant handle it maybe you should move on.

Yes body odor is everywhere but your also leaving out on some its far far worse. Well you didn't really leave it out as much as pretend it isn't reality. Now as for rights no one has the right to be in a mcdonalds. Its a privately owned establishment which retains the RIGHT to refuse service to anyone.

So whats your point about non homeless complaining? That actually is their right. The homeless have the right to stink and the business has the right to kick them the fuck out for it. Instead of singling them out they kicked everyone out equally. So lets stop with "rights" until your willing to actually discuss what actually is a "right" because in reality mcdonlds doesn't just have the right to kick them out and the right to lock their doors but they also have the right to have them removed from the entire property because they feel like it.

I'd bet you'd be singing a different tune, if some of those homeless people were vets.
Anyway, I'm done debating this with you ...you cannot debate mercy, sympathy, or empathy with someone who doesn't have any and who is proud of it, and who thinks it's ok to lack those character traits.

Originally Posted by moving-target

i pretty much agree with everything DG says

Shocking.

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

Apparently no one here knows how a homeless shelter works.

At 6am, you are kicked out. To find a job, beg for food, Drugs or whatever..... You can't stay in the shelter during the day. Soo all your "got to the Shelter" logic is Null. You're all wrong.

Also, Volunteer for a soup kitchen once in a while please.

I do know that, in fact.

**SmokenScion** · 02-07-14, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Guyver

I do know that, in fact.

Then Lead with it.

DG's never gonna change and it probably gets his rocks off more when you complain that he's too much of a roughneck.

So Quit arguing it!

**dex71** · 02-07-14, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

Apparently no one here knows how a homeless shelter works.

At 6am, you are kicked out. To find a job, beg for food, Drugs or whatever..... You can't stay in the shelter during the day. Soo all your "got to the Shelter" logic is Null. You're all wrong.

Not here when the weather dips. If it gets dangerously cold, no one gets booted. This is why we don't have problems with businesses filling up with people loitering. It's not the responsibility of businesses to become ad-hoc homeless shelters.

And soup kitchens shouldn't need volunteers. If you can hold a tray out for someone to fill it, you sure as Hell can fill someone else's and clean it to boot. The only volunteers needed are counselors, medical, financial, and housing people. Give people the direction and the tools they need to pull themselves up, and you will be doing them a much greater favor.

**SmokenScion** · 02-07-14, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

Not here when the weather dips. If it gets dangerously cold, no one gets booted. This is why we don't have problems with businesses filling up with people loitering. It's not the responsibility of businesses to become ad-hoc homeless shelters.

And soup kitchens shouldn't need volunteers. If you can hold a tray out for someone to fill it, you sure as Hell can fill someone else's and clean it to boot. The only volunteers needed are counselors, medical, financial, and housing people. Give people the direction and the tools they need to pull themselves up, and you will be doing them a much greater favor.

It's not that they "need" volunteers, it's for your own sake. To do something good. To Help. You've never volunteered?
Wtf?