Nazi America.

**moving-target** · 04-10-14, 06:24 PM

thats like saying if a butterfly flaps its wings in the rain forest its to blame for a huricane in california or what not

**Kanati** · 04-10-14, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

How is public photography provoking police?

The problem with it isn't public photography. It's the ones that run around like they know what they are talking about and BLATANTLY wrong about it. And while I agree that some of them are in the right... going out and provoking cops just to try to get a rise out of them and get a viral youtube video is a) just asking for an asswhupping and b) stupid. It doesn't HELP people who are in the right. Like that one cop in the video said "oh I see you've been watching youtube". Yeah... unfortunately he had.

If you are in a car and are asked to see your drivers license... YOU SHOW IT. That's the law. It's your license to drive, which is a privilege not a right, and is required to operate a car. Whether a random stop like they had set up is legal or not is a state by state thing until the feds rule on it (which probably won't happen soon) so... if stopped... show your license, registration, and insurance.

**deathgodusmc** · 04-10-14, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by moving-target

whats the big fucking deal ?

cop :you murdered someone

citizen : if you say so officer i'll confess

cop: your spending the rest of your life in prison

THE END

Just another form of rolling over like you suggested.

**deputyfestus** · 04-10-14, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by moving-target

thats like saying if a butterfly flaps its wings in the rain forest its to blame for a huricane in california or what not

Except the butterfly has no choice whereas law enforcement does.

**deathgodusmc** · 04-10-14, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

Depends on your state and whether you have a stop and identify law in place. As I stated. Illinois, here, yes. You do.

Then maybe you shouldn't have spoken as if your rules were the same everywhere. Also please present this law that says this in your state. I would like to read it.

**Kanati** · 04-10-14, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Then maybe you shouldn't have spoken as if your rules were the same everywhere. Also please present this law that says this in your state. I would like to read it.

I didn't. I stated that some states DO have stop and identify laws.

http://www.teamplayergaming.com/news...ml#post2076199

Illinois:
(725 ILCS 5/107-14) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-14)
Sec. 107-14. Temporary questioning without arrest. A peace officer, after having identified himself as a peace officer, may stop any person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing, is about to commit or has committed an offense as defined in Section 102-15 of this Code, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of his actions. Such detention and temporary questioning will be conducted in the vicinity of where the person was stopped.

As I stated previously, a federal supreme court ruling has stated that you only have to state your name. And while you can see it also states that the officer may stop someone when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances ... offense has been, is being, or will be committed, you aren't psychic and the cop can say whatever he wants in front of a judge, so don't assume you can just say no you aren't stating your name either because you weren't doing anything wrong. Maybe the cop thought you were getting ready to jaywalk or litter.

It also states you are to explain your actions... but I do not know if you have to do that or not, thus... I'd probably explain myself. There may be precedent set in that regard as well though.

**Kanati** · 04-10-14, 06:46 PM

Note also this is "IN A PUBLIC PLACE". If you are in your garage for instance, that law does NOT come in to play and you do not have to even state your name.

**deputyfestus** · 04-10-14, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

The problem with it isn't public photography. It's the ones that run around like they know what they are talking about and BLATANTLY wrong about it. And while I agree that some of them are in the right... going out and provoking cops just to try to get a rise out of them and get a viral youtube video is a) just asking for an asswhupping and b) stupid. It doesn't HELP people who are in the right. Like that one cop in the video said "oh I see you've been watching youtube". Yeah... unfortunately he had.

If you are in a car and are asked to see your drivers license... YOU SHOW IT. That's the law. It's your license to drive, which is a privilege not a right, and is required to operate a car. Whether a random stop like they had set up is legal or not is a state by state thing until the feds rule on it (which probably won't happen soon) so... if stopped... show your license, registration, and insurance.

To the first paragraph I submit this...

He then completely stole my glory by explaining to me that so many things have turned up on YouTube and other sites that the police have taken notice and at least in the St Louis County Sheriff’s department, the officers are appalled by their fellow enforcers and have been encouraged to others in line. http://www.copblock.org/50162/when-things-work-2/

I can't speak to the validity of the poster.

**deathgodusmc** · 04-10-14, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

I didn't. I stated that some states DO have stop and identify laws.

http://www.teamplayergaming.com/news...ml#post2076199

Illinois:
(725 ILCS 5/107-14) (from Ch. 38, par. 107-14)
Sec. 107-14. Temporary questioning without arrest. A peace officer, after having identified himself as a peace officer, may stop any person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing, is about to commit or has committed an offense as defined in Section 102-15 of this Code, and may demand the name and address of the person and an explanation of his actions. Such detention and temporary questioning will be conducted in the vicinity of where the person was stopped.

As I stated previously, a federal supreme court ruling has stated that you only have to state your name. And while you can see it also states that the officer may stop someone when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances ... offense has been, is being, or will be committed, you aren't psychic and the cop can say whatever he wants in front of a judge, so don't assume you can just say no you aren't stating your name either because you weren't doing anything wrong. Maybe the cop thought you were getting ready to jaywalk or litter.

It also states you are to explain your actions... but I do not know if you have to do that or not, thus... I'd probably explain myself. There may be precedent set in that regard as well though.

You just proved your statement was wrong. The discussion was not if an officer believes you are or about to commit a crime or at least i do not remember anyone saying that. What you just gave was a description of a detainment not the actions prior to.

**Kanati** · 04-10-14, 06:49 PM

And while you can see it also states that the officer may stop someone when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances ... offense has been, is being, or will be committed, you aren't psychic and the cop can say whatever he wants in front of a judge, so don't assume you can just say no you aren't stating your name either because you weren't doing anything wrong. Maybe the cop thought you were getting ready to jaywalk or litter.

I proved nothing wrong about my statement. His word against yours that he thought you might be getting ready to do something wrong... so he detained you and questioned you. Who are you going to believe? The cop or the citizen?