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04-29-14, 02:03 PM #33
Re: South Carolina cuts college funding over books with gay themes
Or maybe i actually read what this was for. Just because there is an article claiming this is because its gay doesn't mean that was the actual reason. Even this pos article says its punishment for ASSIGNING this novel as as reading. There are lists made of assigned reading and this book did not make the cut.
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04-29-14, 02:16 PM #34
Re: South Carolina cuts college funding over books with gay themes
No im not saying stats didn't exist before 1900. That falls in with a tree falling in the woods. Of course one existed and the other made a noise even if no one was using them or hearing them. Now what i said was statistical moments did not exist. Its like saying 1+1=2 before you actually knew the equation for it. Statistical moments are the backbone behind this psuedoscience. What happened before it help build the theory but it easy dismissed. IE most people think mercedes built the first car but in reality they didn't. The forerunners are dismissed because of how crude they were.
I know you bowed out of the statistics for marines deal but i would still like to hear how there would be no marksman without statistics. Mostly because i can build the weapon and hit the target and already know there is no statistics to it. Well until you decide to start making averages among shooters being applied to the future.
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04-29-14, 02:20 PM #35
Re: South Carolina cuts college funding over books with gay themes
Spoken like someone actually said that. The funny thing about art is 99% of the time the ones that make it big didn't go to school for it and sometimes a nail is just a nail. Most times its ignorance to problem solving that make the nail more then what it really is but i'll just keep swinging my hammer while everyone else makes silly nonsense out of that nail.
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04-29-14, 07:23 PM #37
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I'm reluctant to spend the time because it feels like I've had this experience before:
http://www.teamplayergaming.com/news...ml#post1585322
I enjoyed parts of that thread, and a number of people made convincing contributions. I think some people found some of what I wrote about probability to be convincing, but you were not among them.
Without a formal knowledge of statistics there would certainly still be marksmen. The beginnings of formal statistics predate accurate musketry, but not accurate archery. So clearly, the technique of a skilled individual doesn't require a formal understanding of probability and statistics. We can also, perhaps, hold you up as an example.
But the beginnings of formal understanding (see, for example, Niccolò Tartaglia) showed us that what people thought was happening with projectiles was wrong, and it helped us to describe what really was happening. Then, it turned out, it also helped us to predict what would happen.
Ever since then (where "then" is the 1500s) marksmanship has improved as a direct result of a formal understanding that can describe and predict. The interplay between the mathematical foundations of ballistics and the practical application (a guy trying to put a projectile on target) has improved both.
But, and again, this thread was originally about art. What good is art? Via painting, Brunelleschi gives us Linear Perspective - the ability to mechanically construct an accurate 2D visual representation of a 3D space (or object) - which helps both geometry and optics, also architecture and engineering.
... and also all that cultural health stuff other people have already mentioned.
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AetheLove
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04-29-14, 08:37 PM #38
Re: South Carolina cuts college funding over books with gay themes
Yes i know we similar discussion before BUT you made the argument without statistics there would be no Marine marksman. That is inherently a different discussion.
Now you say without it there will still be marksmen. The problem is your still wrong. Anyone with no knowledge in statistics can be a marksman and that is proven every single week with every graduation from any military boot training that has infantry.
Then you want to place me in your group as an example of having no statistical background but able to shoot. The problem with that is i have a bit of back ground with statistics i'll be it meager but I'll just say i did pretty well on the range. You can also add every sniper to that list because you dont use statistics to make shots you use simple math on close shots and calculus on long one due to the coriolis effect.
Just to make sure i hear what your trying to say....are you implying the first guy to try and explain ballistic drop was using statistics as his modeling program? I guess you could try and rewrite history many others have.
Maybe you'll mention Newton next but he was just a mere mathematician and not a statistician. Or maybe we should go back to the earliest mathematician we can find and say thats where statistics officially began. In other words your reaching brother.
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