Thread: Are we the baddies?

As usual I did not read every word in this post so my comments are not directed towards anyone.

This whole deal with the CIA is sickening to me. Why politicians sell people out for political gain with no regard to their safety is beyond me. We ALL knew what was going on at Gitmo, we just decided not to think about it. After what happened on September 11 we were on board with just about anything that needed to be done to bring justice to the massive loss of lives that we suffered not to mention the economic destruction. Now so many years later we decide to get all high and mighty and cry foul. Sell out a group of people we commanded to do a job. Take the very people we pay to protect us and throw them to the wolves. All for what? Simply to widen that political divide in this country. You know, because we all have to pick one side or the other.

We simply can't take away last resorts. Torture is a last resort and must always be on the table but be just that. A very last resort. If a nuclear bomb gets planted in NY City and we have a person in our possession that we know for a fact was involved and knows where the bomb is placed what should we do? What should we do to now save MILLIONS of lives? We also can not allow terrorist to fall under the same jurisdiction as we would a country we are fighting in a war. When you are protecting lives that cant protect themselves the game changes.

Originally Posted by deputyfestus

All this "we" rolling around "I" can't tell if your French, taking a piss or have a mouse in your pocket. There's a very small select "we" group that had or has anything to do with any of "it" and "I" neither condoned or endorsed said activities so please do not include "me" in the responsibility of "we" but if a hundred innocents had to suffer to obtain one guilty in order to save thousands of the "we the world" so be it.

Yeah, when I was writing I kept changing the pronouns.

There's lots of things I also never condoned or endorsed, and plenty of times I sure didn't want to be part of us or we. Frequently it even seemed that most of us didn't want to be included; which is a weird feeling. If most of us are against it, why are we doing it?

So I'd also like to not be included - thankyouverymuch - and I don't particularly think that I'm responsible.

But it's still my country and my government.

I chose the 'we' and 'us' to encourage thinking about the view from the other side - the poor bastards who haven't done anything wrong but nonetheless wind up on the business end of the blunt instrument the US wields. Do you think that most of them make fine-grained distinctions about Americans who either do or don't support current foreign policy?


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Originally Posted by AetheLove

Me too, but I guess for different reasons.

Other than description of specific instances of what I would call criminal activity, the thing that stood out most from the reporting is the extent to which the entire thing was controversial within the CIA itself. Some CIA officers refused to participate as soon as they saw what was going on. People inside the CIA said it was wrong, that it didn't work, that it was illegal, and that they didn't want to be anywhere near it when the whole thing blew up.


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I understand.... but yet again we have a report put out by our leaders that has been "customized" to suit them. We had light placed on individuals with no chance to defend themselves, their actions or a chance to make it clear they were told to do what they had to do. We also have severely conflicting opinions / facts that what took place at gitmo had an impact all the way up to the death of OBL. That the things that took place there had an impact of stopping other terrorist plots both here in the US and abroad. I also agree that certain people are not able to carry out things such as this no different than there are people that are unable to go into combat, take a life regardless of the circumstance or simply defend themselves. But thank God there are those that can and will. Its too bad we turn our backs on them once they do.

This should have never been made public. It should have been kept secret like many other things that take place with the CIA. The only reason we are having this debate is because one of our political parties needed something new for us to argue about. Something new to try to discredit the other side. They spent $40,000,000 of our money pulling up this garbage. The democratic members of congress knew this was going on you can believe that.

Now we have taken it to the complete opposite side of the middle. Though the further pussification of this country and a President that only has a backbone when it is time to push his liberal agenda we are weak! We wont even call it a terrorist act most of the time. We quickly read them their rights as if they deserve any. We treat them like any other criminal as if they should be. Religious terrorist or terrorist of any nature do not deserve anything but a quick elimination and if in fact that have valuable information that can lead us to something or someone that will save additional lives I say torture the fuck out of them. Make water boarding and anal feeding look like a trip to Ben and Jerry's for ice cream. Most certainly the ones involved in acts of terrorism.

You want to talk about true torture? September 11, 2001 was a day of true torture for millions. December 7, 1941 was a day of true torture for millions. We had the balls to do something about it in 1941, I wish we had the balls to do something about it today. The fact is that we do not. We are weak and at this point there is no turning back. We will continue to grow weaker and we will go from being the worlds police and superpower to victims. Nothing but a field full of sheep. Bah, Ram, Ewe

Man Who Interrogated Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Speaks Out

Love fox news or hate it. The link above deserves a look.

Everyone needs to watch the interview that Nuckle linked. More info there than the 40M we spent for the political report that was fabricated. Seriously.....If a cop were to investigate a crime, wouldn't it make sense to ask the only suspect about it? Wouldn't it be irresponsible to NOT interrogate the perpetrator(s)?