Voting Records

**DJ Ms. White** · 12-29-15, 08:35 AM

http://www.databreaches.net/191-mill...ured-database/

Basically, the voting records for the US were unintentionally made public.

**dex71** · 12-29-15, 08:57 AM

Un fucking real.

Once again....ANYTHING the gov't touches turns to shit. The only group the World has ever seen that can put a man on the Moon, and fuck up a free lunch.

**DJ Ms. White** · 12-29-15, 02:13 PM

I bet this was orchestrated by Valve to make themselves look better!

**dex71** · 12-29-15, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I bet this was orchestrated by Valve to make themselves look better!

Valve would manage the country better than our current pack of fools.

**deputyfestus** · 12-29-15, 06:38 PM

Great we already can't get the mass populace to the polls and the morons probably just lost half that did vote. I'll still vote if some fuck wants to come get my shit all they'll end up with is a couple boxes of lead .

**AetheLove** · 12-30-15, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

Un fucking real.

Once again....ANYTHING the gov't touches turns to shit. The only group the World has ever seen that can put a man on the Moon, and fuck up a free lunch.

I don't understand the government hate over this.

That this sort of thing happens is terrible, but this one doesn't even make the top-ten bad data breaches this year.

Also, it's not a government leak.

I'm not against being pissed off at government (at any and all levels) for fucking up, but I think it ought to be for actual real government fuck-ups.

This is just one example of one symptom of the reality of our times:

A datum is valuable. Well organized data is more valuable than the sum of its parts.

Every organization of any size is voraciously compiling as much data as they can. They will use these databases as weapons of commerce and politics.

Voter rolls are public. That you are registered or that you have voted isn't a secret.

Who you vote for is what's supposed to be secret.

If you want to be pissed off at government over a voting issue, let me suggest that you direct your ire towards states and/or voting districts that have purchased disastrously bad 'electronic' voting systems and machines. I hope that you'll see fit to spread your rage across both government and corporate targets (governments didn't make this shitty equipment, they only bought it), but if you only wish hate on one or the other that's fine with me too.

Cheers,

AetheLove

**dex71** · 12-30-15, 01:55 PM

Trust me Aethe.....I have enough gov't rage to spread around. The voting records leak/loss/breach/whatever is nothing more or less than just another example of incompetance, even on the most insecure and mundane level.

If I want to get my panties in a bunch about voting, I need to go no further than my local airport. Soon, my Minnesota Driver's License won't be "fit" to use as ID (it won't meet the Federal Regs which are about to change), and thus will not be allowed to be used to get on an airplane. However, a utility bill with mine (or anyone's) name and address on it will get me (or anyone else) into any voting booth in the State.

**AetheLove** · 12-30-15, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

Trust me Aethe.....I have enough gov't rage to spread around. The voting records leak/loss/breach/whatever is nothing more or less than just another example of incompetance, even on the most insecure and mundane level.

If I want to get my panties in a bunch about voting, I need to go no further than my local airport. Soon, my Minnesota Driver's License won't be "fit" to use as ID (it won't meet the Federal Regs which are about to change), and thus will not be allowed to be used to get on an airplane. However, a utility bill with mine (or anyone's) name and address on it will get me (or anyone else) into any voting booth in the State.

Yeah, I was just reading about the potential change in RealID enforcement. I thought the law was a bad idea when it was proposed/passed, and I still think it's wrong-headed. It was passed with a lot of "don't worry, we won't force states to do the things this law would force them to do if they don't want to do them" rhetoric which at the time seemed to me to be the most naked and obvious sort of lie - but apparently it was a good enough lie.

Lots of states are on-the-bubble with their current state IDs, but Minnesota is currently in the cross-hairs of our US Secret Police force.

Decent article and useful info here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/bu...or-travel.html

TSA may soon stop accepting drivers? licenses from nine states | Ars Technica

I see RealID as a way to have a national ID system without calling it that (which saves a lot of political hassle from people who think that tagging the citizenry like cattle is a bad idea). In terms of law enforcement there are obvious up-sides to such a system, and in terms of creeping federal authoritarianism (or fascism, or totalitarianism, or whatever) there are obvious downsides. My feeling is that such a system will almost certainly be abused, will make us all worse-off, and is a bad idea.

I like that local election boards get to set standards for voter registration. I think that fraud has not been found to be a problem. Local boards can make the system as simple and open as possible. Having voter rolls be public means that anyone is free to check up on possible fraud or abuse. I think the recent incidence of stricter voter ID laws is all about the promotion of a centrally administered national ID system (and also incidental disenfranchisement).

I think that connecting the process of voting with a central state ID system (which, because of the RealID law, is really a national ID system) makes voter fraud easier to do, easier to automate, and easier to do on a large scale.

I don't want the entirety of everything I do to be tied to a single citizen ID number, and I think you should also not want that.

Keeping the process local makes it easier for local people to spot local abuse, and makes it harder for corruption to spread broadly.

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**dex71** · 12-31-15, 09:01 AM

The citizenry is tagged like cattle at birth. We are given a number by which we can be tracked at all times. Since we peasants can't be trusted to save for our own well being in our golden years, our government has taken the reigns, and forceably removes our money as we earn it, so that we don't waste it before we retire. In order to effectively do this, they need to know of every dollar we bring in, so that they can take their cut........for us......so we don't spend it. Make no mistake....we are cattle. At least we know the money will be there when we retire. LO fucking L.

As for RealID, I'm on the fence. I like having a national standard for identification. At the very least, we will know that California (as an example only) won't be able to issue ID's on the honor system, or that Minnesota won't be able to exclude anyone other than natural born Minnesotans. If we are going to use ID's for national activities (flying, voting, ect), having some national standards can't hurt.

In fact.....I'll raise. If we are going to have a national card/number that tracks every dollar we earn, and our local license board is going to have federal guidlines to follow to make sure ID's are vetted and tough to fake, it seems to me we can use them for some good. Like voting. If we are going to issue a number to every citizen, we should also be able to provide them an ID as well. No ID....No vote. In this day in age, to not have a picture ID is ridiculous. One needs it to pay with a check or a card, buy lottery tickets, and board airplanes. We should expect the same minimal security at our voting booths. If my heating bill isn't enough to get me on a flight, it shouldn't be enough to help choose the leader of the free world.

As for no evidence of voter fraud....LOL. Maybe none is found because it's being looked-for by the very people it benefits.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-31-15, 11:16 AM

Theres more to it then that. When you register at least in fl you had to give your dl number/ssn or at least part of it. Its been many moons since i registered but i believe we had to give either the dl or the ssn at the time. Now you are only required to give the last 4. That being said say you only gave the last 4. Now they find where you were issued your ssn which for many is the state where they live. Now with a deviation on average of 5 numbers they have have the first 3 and last 4 of your ssn. As an example in new hampshire your ssn starts with either 001, 002, 003.

Granted they are still missing the middle 2 digits but i like most people have sat down with a lock and figured its 3 or 4 digit code to open it. So no its not horribly reveling but its not without its potential to be a gigantic pain in the ass for some. So basically you should be upset.