Ok, i kept quiet but enough is enough.

**Warprosper** · 06-16-16, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The kid was actively trying to get in and witnesses heard him saying he wanted in. Instead she got on her cell phone instead of managing her child. An almost extinct species paid the price for them being shitty parents. The waved the jail buit they should at least have to paid for whatever means are necessary to replace that animal.

As for the gator disney is not at fault. This is fucking florida. You cant stop gators from getting into water. Thats just reality. I live near a place called cranes roost. It to is a man made lake. I was standing on the dock because i was doing a job in the sky rise on its shore. I was talking to one of the workers for the park and i asked him how many gators he thinks are in it. He responded none. I told him you may want to tell that to the gator in the water behind you. Once again no court in florida would actually award you anything for being bit or killed by a gator when you went into the water because they already know its fucking florida. They do take precautions. Every night they have patrols looking for them. Every time one is found it is removed by either killing it or relocating it. Its size determines which is done. I would love to hear your ways of blocking gators though. I've seen them climb chain link fences to get into pools.

You might be able to do that while canoeing. I have excepted the fact i have horrible luck. It wouldn't kill me any more then anything else has so far but i would catch another maiming. Just a bit of perspective though. South carolina has about 100,000 gators state wide. A couple miles from where im sitting is a lake that has one tenth of your entire states population. Thats just 1 lake. I like gators, they're actually pretty cool. I just know my luck is i would get bit by the fucker.

I have yet to hear any witness testimony saying she was on her phone. I have heard that she was with 3 other kids and they pulled her attention. Not her phone. This was also confirmed by the prosecutor.

2nd paragraph. Right. You either stop them from getting into the water, or you don't build a sandy beach that welcomes the occasional stroll. It's a resort. Either clean up the place properly, or don't allow people to go near the water.

**deathgodusmc** · 06-16-16, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

I have yet to hear any witness testimony saying she was on her phone. I have heard that she was with 3 other kids and they pulled her attention. Not her phone. This was also confirmed by the prosecutor.

2nd paragraph. Right. You either stop them from getting into the water, or you don't build a sandy beach that welcomes the occasional stroll. It's a resort. Either clean up the place properly, or don't allow people to go near the water.

For part 1 I have.

Exactly how do you stop them from getting into water? The beach is for sunbathing and appearance. That particular stretch is between the grand floridian and the polynesian. Two areas known for among other things sand. In any case sand and or beaches are not known for not having dangers. Sand does not imply safety. So once again what is your plan to clean the place up properly? What is your idea on how to gator proof a lake? What is your plan to stop people from going near the water? They've been found climbing fences, trees, walls to some degree and can dig. Remember keeping an 15 ft gator out is far easier then the little ones that grow up.

Edit. Lets keep in mind the grand floridian open 18 years ago, the polynesian 45 years ago, seven seas lagoon the same 45 years ago. Not one time has there ever been a problem until now. 45 years of nothing to a fucktard wading with his kid in water he wasn't suppose to be in. That speaks pretty highly about how well disney has kept the place clean as you put it.

**MeenaSan** · 06-16-16, 03:06 PM

I am from California and know absolutely NOTHING about alligators. I will say had I paid money to fly to Florida (which I never would do) to hang around a Disney resort with my 2 year old, I would operate under the assumption the ENTIRE grounds were family friendly and safe. I live right near the original Disneyland and assume the same there. Family friendly - and safe (as safe can be).

That said, I personally would never let my 2 year old swim/wade into water where signs said no swimming. Again, not for fear of gators but because a sign says NO...so I might assume it's for other reasons like filthy lake water or the like. Witnesses and people have posted pictures of that same beach with their kids wading in the same water earlier in the day (Disney never stopped anyone or told them not too). Clearly none of the tourists thought it was a big deal either (again...not swimming...wading, getting your feet wet in ankle/calf deep water).

Disney will pay out for this. You cannot operate as a family friendly place and allow people to walk on a man-made beach near a gator filled lake. Whether this has happened before doesn't matter. Everyone who worked the resort knew there was gators in there yet there was no signage. In fact earlier in the day a man saw a gator in the water and alerted a Disney worker who said "yeah that's our local pet" and did nothing. Disney is 100% at fault and will pay a quiet sum to make this matter go away. This is devastating for their image and believe you me they won't fight it.

**AetheLove** · 06-16-16, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

For part 1 I have.

Exactly how do you stop them from getting into water? The beach is for sunbathing and appearance. That particular stretch is between the grand floridian and the polynesian. Two areas known for among other things sand. In any case sand and or beaches are not known for not having dangers. Sand does not imply safety. So once again what is your plan to clean the place up properly? What is your idea on how to gator proof a lake? What is your plan to stop people from going near the water? They've been found climbing fences, trees, walls to some degree and can dig. Remember keeping an 15 ft gator out is far easier then the little ones that grow up.

My sense of it was that his plan was: Don't build a family resort next to gators.

He has no ideas on how to gator-proof a lake in Florida. You can't. His idea is to not put vacationing children next to gators.

I didn't see that he had a plan to stop people going near water. My plan would be (a) don't build a beach, groom it, and encourage kids to play on it; then (b) build a dock or wharf with a rail.

I would try to stop people going in the water by making it hard to go into the water.

Disney builds a fantasy. Disney sells a fantasy. That's fine, and if people enjoy themselves then that's great. But that beach is a bad idea. In an effort to create a fantasy, someone forgot this: if you're going to encourage your customers to live in a fantasy land, then your business is doubly-responsible for keeping track of reality.

When I go hiking in bear country, I have to stop at the ranger station. I have to show the device in which I'll stow and hang my food each night, or I have to rent one at the station. There are signs everywhere that clearly describe the danger, and how to best be safe on the trail.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Edit. Lets keep in mind the grand floridian open 18 years ago, the polynesian 45 years ago, seven seas lagoon the same 45 years ago. Not one time has there ever been a problem until now. 45 years of nothing to a fucktard wading with his kid in water he wasn't suppose to be in. That speaks pretty highly about how well disney has kept the place clean as you put it.

Fucktard? I think you have unreasonable expectations.

The sign said "No Swimming". Maybe, in Florida, that is a coded message that residents understand, but it is not a universal thing. In most of American, "No Swimming" means "The lifeguard isn't on duty".

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**Warprosper** · 06-16-16, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

For part 1 I have.

Exactly how do you stop them from getting into water? The beach is for sunbathing and appearance. That particular stretch is between the grand floridian and the polynesian. Two areas known for among other things sand. In any case sand and or beaches are not known for not having dangers. Sand does not imply safety. So once again what is your plan to clean the place up properly? What is your idea on how to gator proof a lake? What is your plan to stop people from going near the water? They've been found climbing fences, trees, walls to some degree and can dig. Remember keeping an 15 ft gator out is far easier then the little ones that grow up.

Edit. Lets keep in mind the grand floridian open 18 years ago, the polynesian 45 years ago, seven seas lagoon the same 45 years ago. Not one time has there ever been a problem until now. 45 years of nothing to a fucktard wading with his kid in water he wasn't suppose to be in. That speaks pretty highly about how well disney has kept the place clean as you put it.

1. Link?
2. Then why hire people to keep gators to a minimum? Disney will pay here. A lot.

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**deathgodusmc** · 06-16-16, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by MeenaSan

I am from California and know absolutely NOTHING about alligators. I will say had I paid money to fly to Florida (which I never would do) to hang around a Disney resort with my 2 year old, I would operate under the assumption the ENTIRE grounds were family friendly and safe. I live right near the original Disneyland and assume the same there. Family friendly - and safe (as safe can be).

That said, I personally would never let my 2 year old swim/wade into water where signs said no swimming. Again, not for fear of gators but because a sign says NO...so I might assume it's for other reasons like filthy lake water or the like. Witnesses and people have posted pictures of that same beach with their kids wading in the same water earlier in the day (Disney never stopped anyone or told them not too). Clearly none of the tourists thought it was a big deal either (again...not swimming...wading, getting your feet wet in ankle/calf deep water).

Disney will pay out for this. You cannot operate as a family friendly place and allow people to walk on a man-made beach near a gator filled lake. Whether this has happened before doesn't matter. Everyone who worked the resort knew there was gators in there yet there was no signage. In fact earlier in the day a man saw a gator in the water and alerted a Disney worker who said "yeah that's our local pet" and did nothing. Disney is 100% at fault and will pay a quiet sum to make this matter go away. This is devastating for their image and believe you me they won't fight it.

I lived a few miles from disneyland when i was out there. Well one of the places i lived out there.

The water in the lagoon is not very pretty. I wouldn't swim in it if i thought all the gators were gone.

Disney always pays out for anything that happens. Very rarely do they not just settle out of court. Disney isn't at fault though. Its just cheaper to settle most times for them. I doubt this will effect their profit margin in the least though. You have to remember its disney property but it isnt a ride that broke down. Part of the allure is the nature around the area and the gator wasn't on the bastard mouses payroll.

If the gator was a pet like a dog i would agree but it isnt a pet.

**deathgodusmc** · 06-16-16, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

1. Link?
2. Then why hire people to keep gators to a minimum? Disney will pay here. A lot.

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1. I dont remember but i can look.
2. Because in just doing that provides all the proof they need for court that they are doing everything within their power.

**deathgodusmc** · 06-16-16, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by AetheLove

My sense of it was that his plan was: Don't build a family resort next to gators.

He has no ideas on how to gator-proof a lake in Florida. You can't. His idea is to not put vacationing children next to gators.

I didn't see that he had a plan to stop people going near water. My plan would be (a) don't build a beach, groom it, and encourage kids to play on it; then (b) build a dock or wharf with a rail.

I would try to stop people going in the water by making it hard to go into the water.

Disney builds a fantasy. Disney sells a fantasy. That's fine, and if people enjoy themselves then that's great. But that beach is a bad idea. In an effort to create a fantasy, someone forgot this: if you're going to encourage your customers to live in a fantasy land, then your business is doubly-responsible for keeping track of reality.

When I go hiking in bear country, I have to stop at the ranger station. I have to show the device in which I'll stow and hang my food each night, or I have to rent one at the station. There are signs everywhere that clearly describe the danger, and how to best be safe on the trail.

Fucktard? I think you have unreasonable expectations.

The sign said "No Swimming". Maybe, in Florida, that is a coded message that residents understand, but it is not a universal thing. In most of American, "No Swimming" means "The lifeguard isn't on duty".

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Let me say this slowly because apparently its being over looked. This is Florida. Every resort near water is built near gators. A beach makes no difference what so ever on alligators being there. In fact they prefer bushy areas. It conceals them being there to a degree and there really aren't any people. Gators dont actually like being around us to begin with.

Making it hard to get to the water doesn't stop people from getting to the water. The parks they closed are off limits and one is an island. That however hasn't stopped people from getting to them.

45 years of no issue proves the beach is not the issue. You all can try to play that card till you're blue in the face but until a few days ago 0 people have had any issues on all of disney property which includes those beaches. All he had to do was not ignore the sing and his son would still be alive.

So when you hiking you follow the trail? Thats not hiking in my book. I blaze my own trail and there are no signs there.

No swimming has never not once in our history meant no life guard on duty. Its means keep your fucktarded ass out of the fucking water. Dont try to muddy the topic with nonsense. Oh and i've lived all over the country so i know thats not accurate.

**Phyrelight** · 06-16-16, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Let me say this slowly because apparently its being over looked. This is Florida. Every resort near water is built near gators. A beach makes no difference what so ever on alligators being there. In fact they prefer bushy areas. It conceals them being there to a degree and there really aren't any people. Gators dont actually like being around us to begin with.

Making it hard to get to the water doesn't stop people from getting to the water. The parks they closed are off limits and one is an island. That however hasn't stopped people from getting to them.

45 years of no issue proves the beach is not the issue. You all can try to play that card till you're blue in the face but until a few days ago 0 people have had any issues on all of disney property which includes those beaches. All he had to do was not ignore the sing and his son would still be alive.

So when you hiking you follow the trail? Thats not hiking in my book. I blaze my own trail and there are no signs there.

No swimming has never not once in our history meant no life guard on duty. Its means keep your fucktarded ass out of the fucking water. Dont try to muddy the topic with nonsense. Oh and i've lived all over the country so i know thats not accurate.

45 years with 0 issues? You may want to do a google search before making that claim. This is just one reported incident of a gator attack at Disney..this one from 1986 when he was 8. He survived. Just because we don't hear about it in the media doesn't mean it didn't happen. If this had happened and it didn't get out so fast I am willing to be Disney would have paid dearly to keep it out of the news

Man seized by Disney gator in '86 horrified for boy's family

I also agree that the family is to blame as its posted no swimming. I have been on that beach when I stayed at the Grand Floridian a years ago. I remember thinking to myself...wow nice beach, too bad the water looks nasty. My wife quickly pointed out...that is what the pools are for, this beach is just for decoration. At that time I didn't really know about gators either. It wasn't until a trip many years later than we stayed off property and did an air boat tour ....there were A LOT of gators....

**dex71** · 06-16-16, 04:00 PM

Disney should have had a fence. Not to keep gators out of the lake, but to keep people out of the lake. Disney groomed a potentially dangerous area, and invited folks to enjoy it. Disney invited their uneducated and often inebriated guests to an area that was only inches from disaster at any given moment. Because it hadn't happened yet doesn't mean it wasn't eventually going to happen, it just means that their luck didn't run out until yesterday.

And if we are to get technical, wading is NOT swimming. They are two different words because they are two different things. I took swimming lessons as a kid.....I don't know anyone who took wading lessons.

At fault or not doesn't matter. Disney will pay dearly in two ways. They will get to pay the family, and they will take the pr hit and likely lose a bit of income. I'm sure they will be fine, but this will most certainly leave a scar.

And for the record.....This is yet another reason why real Winters rule. We don't have poisonous snakes to worry about (and spare me the Timber Rattler bullshit), we don't have many bugs that can kill you, and we sure as fuck don't have prehistoric lizards infesting our lakes. Our lakes are infested with drunk Scandanavians....the way God intended.