Thread: France Denies Citizenship to Moroccan man who forces Wife to wear a full Veil.

Never thought I would say this but go France.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...lic-veil-women

France denies citizenship to Moroccan man who forces wife to wear full veil

Niqab breaches secularism and women's rights, says minister, ruling husband's behaviour 'incompatible with French values'

France is to refuse to grant citizenship to a Moroccan man who forces his wife to wear the full veil, arguing that his adherence to a strict strand of Islam is incompatible with the country's values, the immigration minister said today.

Eric Besson said he had signed a decree explaining that the man, whose identity was not made public, was being denied citizenship because his behaviour towards his French wife contravened secularism and women's rights.

"It emerged during the inquiry and the interview process that this person forced his wife to wear the full veil, deprived her of freedom of movement with her face exposed and rejected the principles of secularism and equality between men and women," Besson said in a statement.

According to Le Figaro, which obtained a copy of the ruling handed down by the council of state, France's highest legal body, the man behaved towards women in a way which made him "incompatible" with the values of France.

"Monsieur X displays in an everyday manner a discriminatory attitude towards women, going as far as refusing to shake their hands and advocating the separation of boys and girls including, at home, of brothers and sisters," the ruling read.

"The lifestyle he has chosen may be justified by religious precepts but is incompatible with the values of the Republic, notably the principle of equality of the sexes."

This is not the first time France has cited the niqab – a veil that leaves only the wearer's eyes showing – as grounds for the refusal of citizenship. In 2008, a Moroccan woman, Faiza Silmi, was told she could not become French because her veil and "radical" interpretation of Islam were obstacles to assimilation.

Last week, a committee of MPs voted to support a parliamentary resolution condemning the niqab, and called for a ban on the garment in public facilities such as hospitals and post offices, and on public transport. They shied away, however, from recommending a ban on women covering their faces anywhere in public.

The decision to reject the application for citizenship comes after a demand last month by the justice minister, Michele Alliot-Marie, that Muslim men who force their wives to wear the full veil be denied the right to become French.

Amid debate over the niqab in December, the interior minister, Brice Hortefeux, echoed her sentiments, saying that allowing supporters of the full veil into "the national community" was not a "desirable" course of action.

"Nothing would be more normal than to systematically refuse access to residency permits to the person wearing the veil and to her husband," he said.

Not sure how to feel about this. On one hand, I am loathe to agree with a country that interfers between the seperation of Church and State, but on the other hand, I support them for protecting the woman's right to not have to have her head fully veiled when her husband required her to do so.

Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok

Assimilate or go home seems to be the message here.

Yup.

Seems more important when it is Muslim with all the attention that part of the world has. Amish wear certain clothing with their religion and beliefs but you don't see anything about that.....

If the women are being forced to do something against their will then make that act illegal, some women I'm sure actually choose that way to live.

Originally Posted by Potemkine

Not sure how to feel about this. On one hand, I am loathe to agree with a country that interfers between the seperation of Church and State, but on the other hand, I support them for protecting the woman's right to not have to have her head fully veiled when her husband required her to do so.

I can't agree more.

The article states that the husband makes his wife wear the veil but I wonder, does she do it by choice as well. You're not making someone do something if they do it by choice which is the point I'm trying to make....

Islam is, by definition, a religion of submission. What if the women has chosen to submit to this particular religious tenet?
How is it fair to deny anyone the right to practice a part of their religion that does not infringe on the rights of others?
And what of female French citizens who may choose to convert to Islam? Are they to be extradited?

Originally Posted by Gumby

Islam is, by definition, a religion of submission. What if the women has chosen to submit to this particular religious tenet?
How is it fair to deny anyone the right to practice a part of their religion that does not infringe on the rights of others?
And what of female French citizens who may choose to convert to Islam? Are they to be extradited?

Precisely why, I dont know if I like this or not. There are other ways in fighting this kind of war.

Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok

Assimilate or go home seems to be the message here.

Exactly. Here in France, you either get with their program or you can just get the F out. I like it.

It's there country, show respect.

The only way they should accept it is if the women volunteered to wear the veil imo. and by volunteered i'm talking unwed willing to do it.

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

The only way they should accept it is if the women volunteered to wear the veil imo. and by volunteered i'm talking unwed willing to do it.

The view in the French government is that the veil and the headscarf is a submissive act. That it is part of their religion is irrelevant. It's not part of French culture. If these people want to enjoy a culture where this accepted, they can live in any number of Muslim countries. France does not want to deviate nor bend it's traditions to others. They are perfectly happy with the culture they have.

Their house, their rules.