Should the bar be held liable?

**TehSpaz** · 03-07-10, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by ninja|oaklandr

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

my question is why in some other countries is it rare to have DUIs, yet seems incredibly common here?

American's love to drive because gas prices are cheap. We expand out further thanks to cheap land. In Europe it's more common to live within walking distance of the local tavern/bar/club.

ding ding ding.

as Americans, we enjoy our space, and control of said space. We'd rather drive to a bar in our own vehicles than take public transportation.

Oh, and unless you live in a city, public transportation is almost a moot point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that we have a higher percentage of population in suburbs and rural areas compared to cities than most other developed nations. we RELY on our vehicles more than most any other country.

**rock_lobster** · 03-08-10, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

Originally Posted by ninja|oaklandr

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

my question is why in some other countries is it rare to have DUIs, yet seems incredibly common here?

American's love to drive because gas prices are cheap. We expand out further thanks to cheap land. In Europe it's more common to live within walking distance of the local tavern/bar/club.

ding ding ding.

as Americans, we enjoy our space, and control of said space. We'd rather drive to a bar in our own vehicles than take public transportation.

Oh, and unless you live in a city, public transportation is almost a moot point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that we have a higher percentage of population in suburbs and rural areas compared to cities than most other developed nations. we RELY on our vehicles more than most any other country.

right. It makes perfect sense for most of us to own our own vehicles. Either that or I'm biking 30 miles to work.

**Kraker Jak** · 03-08-10, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

Originally Posted by ninja|oaklandr

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

my question is why in some other countries is it rare to have DUIs, yet seems incredibly common here?

American's love to drive because gas prices are cheap. We expand out further thanks to cheap land. In Europe it's more common to live within walking distance of the local tavern/bar/club.

ding ding ding.

as Americans, we enjoy our space, and control of said space. We'd rather drive to a bar in our own vehicles than take public transportation.

Oh, and unless you live in a city, public transportation is almost a moot point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that we have a higher percentage of population in suburbs and rural areas compared to cities than most other developed nations. we RELY on our vehicles more than most any other country.

right. It makes perfect sense for most of us to own our own vehicles. Either that or I'm biking 30 miles to work.

What you cant bike 30 miles? Pussy, you hate earth!

**rock_lobster** · 03-08-10, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by TehSpaz

Originally Posted by ninja|oaklandr

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

my question is why in some other countries is it rare to have DUIs, yet seems incredibly common here?

American's love to drive because gas prices are cheap. We expand out further thanks to cheap land. In Europe it's more common to live within walking distance of the local tavern/bar/club.

ding ding ding.

as Americans, we enjoy our space, and control of said space. We'd rather drive to a bar in our own vehicles than take public transportation.

Oh, and unless you live in a city, public transportation is almost a moot point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that we have a higher percentage of population in suburbs and rural areas compared to cities than most other developed nations. we RELY on our vehicles more than most any other country.

right. It makes perfect sense for most of us to own our own vehicles. Either that or I'm biking 30 miles to work.

What you cant bike 30 miles? Pussy, you hate earth!

Yep! And I purposely buy as many plastic products as I can. I even leave all my faucets running when I leave my house. Hell just last week I started leaving my car running the entire time I'm at work. All just to piss people off

And when I log off of ttp, I'm going to leave my computer on.........ALL NIGHT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

**Guyver** · 03-08-10, 12:58 AM

No...the bar shouldn't be held responsible.

**jmw_man** · 03-08-10, 07:48 AM

The man should be responsible for himself and he should be held responsible should anything happen, as in, if something happens then there should be punishment.

The bar should be responsible for the man and they should be held responsible should anything happen because it gives them that extra incentive to keep an eye on the overall general public to prevent death because of one stupid person.

Simply posting in this thread and saying that only the man should be responsible will not help future situations. Everyone who walks into a bar to drink will all think to themselves, "If I get super drunk, I will make it home just fine." Once they reach a certain limit they don't care anymore. It's not even a thought, the only thought that comes to mind is "another beer please." At this point, someone has to look out for those that are driving on the same roads as the customers leaving the bar. It never occurs to people driving on the roads that "Hey, I might encounter a drunk driver tonight!" This is not something they can prepare for, a simple green light tells them they can keep driving forward without ever knowing that they are about to get T-boned in the side. They will never know what hit them because they will be dead. It could be you, your mother, your father, your sister, your brother, your grandparents, your wife, your girlfriend, YOUR OWN CHILDREN! Forget about the bar, forget about the drunk driver, forget about who should be held responsible for once and think about how you can add more protection to the roads for your own family, do you really want them to die. If supposedly a man in a bar wanted to drink more and the bar cut him off, then what would the chances be like if he would be the one killing your family if the bar hadn't already saved your family from him?

the whole point is, to me, it's not about who should be held responsible, it's about the fear of the one day someone I care about is going about their daily life when it ends. Yes, the drunk needs to learn, but they usually don't till after the mistake, what can we do to prevent the mistake?