No End in Sight

**triggerhappy2005** · 04-26-10, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Wow, what all of you are saying sounds eerily like meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Now I think I heard someone say that during the campaigning. If only I could remember who that was? Maybe one of you guys can find it for me. I think that same guy said Barry would make a bunch of promises, but then getin office and have an oh shit moment when he realized most of what he promised was impossible. What a smart guy that was, wish I could quote him on my phone.

Health care.

Finance reform.

Additional troops for Afghanistan.

18 months in office.

He's doing OK.

***COMMANDER*** · 04-26-10, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Now let's pick yours apart.

1. I already agreed that if I knew back then what I know now I would not have voted for the war, but good try. The sad part is we can't rewind the clock, so we have to do what we can with the situation we currently have, correct? I mean I could still be bitching 35 years later that my dad was never around, or I can do something with my life now. I personally choose the latter, while many people choose the former, and blame all their failures on it. Not saying you specifically, and yes this is another subject, but I can't change the past, and neither can anyone else, so what do we do with today?

We killed one dictator so that he could be replaced by many little dictators. Never forget the past.

As far as your scenario, it's pure conjecture.

2. We are already behind the troop withdrawal timeline he laid out in his campaign, and you and other supporters of his have admitted to such in other topics on these very forums, so do we really need to rehash that part?

Rehash? You started this by saying Obama said ASAP. Don't you want the $100?

3. I have no problem with the truth, but bitching about whether we should have gone 8-9 years ago does nothing to change what we are doing today does it? So what is your solution for what we can change, not what we can't?

Sure it does. It prevents future fuck ups by people with funny accents and limited intellectual powers.

My solution is never forget who got us into this mess.

Simple, defiance of Resolution after Resolution after Resolution..... A dictator that thought he was above the law, until a brave man with vision and the balls to spread democracy stepped up to the plate and formed a coalition of the willing.

And then we kicked their asses, handed the government over to the people, enabled elections so they could vote on their leaders, built bridges, schools, roads, hospitals and beat the hell out of the terrorist and got them out of the neighborhoods, so citizens could enjoy life like everyone else, without worrying about getting killed or shot.

**triggerhappy2005** · 04-26-10, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Now let's pick yours apart.

1. I already agreed that if I knew back then what I know now I would not have voted for the war, but good try. The sad part is we can't rewind the clock, so we have to do what we can with the situation we currently have, correct? I mean I could still be bitching 35 years later that my dad was never around, or I can do something with my life now. I personally choose the latter, while many people choose the former, and blame all their failures on it. Not saying you specifically, and yes this is another subject, but I can't change the past, and neither can anyone else, so what do we do with today?

We killed one dictator so that he could be replaced by many little dictators. Never forget the past.

As far as your scenario, it's pure conjecture.

2. We are already behind the troop withdrawal timeline he laid out in his campaign, and you and other supporters of his have admitted to such in other topics on these very forums, so do we really need to rehash that part?

Rehash? You started this by saying Obama said ASAP. Don't you want the $100?

3. I have no problem with the truth, but bitching about whether we should have gone 8-9 years ago does nothing to change what we are doing today does it? So what is your solution for what we can change, not what we can't?

Sure it does. It prevents future fuck ups by people with funny accents and limited intellectual powers.

My solution is never forget who got us into this mess.

Simple, defiance of Resolution after Resolution after Resolution..... A dictator that thought he was above the law, until a brave man with vision and the balls to spread democracy stepped up to the plate and formed a coalition of the willing.

So when do we attack North Korea for not bending to our will?

And then we kicked their asses, handed the government over to the people, enabled elections so they could vote on their leaders, built bridges, schools, roads, hospitals and beat the hell out of the terrorist and got them out of the neighborhoods, so citizens could enjoy life like everyone else, without worrying about getting killed or shot.

How's that Koolaid taste?

**Xavsnipe** · 04-26-10, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

until a brave man with vision and the balls to spread democracy stepped up to the plate and formed a coalition of the willing.

And then we kicked their asses, handed the government over to the people, enabled elections so they could vote on their leaders, built bridges, schools, roads, hospitals and beat the hell out of the terrorist and got them out of the neighborhoods, so citizens could enjoy life like everyone else, without worrying about getting killed or shot.

Wow COMMANDER...I never like to turn these discussions into personal comments...but you´re living in fantasy land.

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

Simple, defiance of Resolution after Resolution after Resolution..... A dictator that thought he was above the law

So by that logic, what about Israel? You know how many UN resolutions they´ve broken?

**triggerhappy2005** · 04-27-10, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

until a brave man with vision and the balls to spread democracy stepped up to the plate and formed a coalition of the willing.

And then we kicked their asses, handed the government over to the people, enabled elections so they could vote on their leaders, built bridges, schools, roads, hospitals and beat the hell out of the terrorist and got them out of the neighborhoods, so citizens could enjoy life like everyone else, without worrying about getting killed or shot.

Wow COMMANDER...I never like to turn these discussions into personal comments...but you´re living in fantasy land.

Xav, are you just figuring this out? Half his posts are tin-foil hat material.

**Red_Lizard2** · 04-27-10, 04:09 AM

We've broken Resolutions by the U.N., like for example, the one that said the ENTIRE security Council would decided what to do if Iraq broke the rules of said resolution. Oh wait we just said "Fuck the U.N., lets go pewpew yeeehaaaa!!!!"

Maybe we should follow the rules before telling others to do it?

as for Bin Laden (in specific 9/11), the biggest blame goes to.......our intelligence community. Not only did would they not work with each other, but they all had damn good pieces of a puzzle that said "Oh shit, something bad might happen." Then afterwords, they go and say "well we could of stopped it if only we could listen to everyone's call, and watch every little thing they all day every day."

They basically fucked up, and then blamed YOU for not wanting them to violate your rights.

**Xavsnipe** · 04-27-10, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

until a brave man with vision and the balls to spread democracy stepped up to the plate and formed a coalition of the willing.

And then we kicked their asses, handed the government over to the people, enabled elections so they could vote on their leaders, built bridges, schools, roads, hospitals and beat the hell out of the terrorist and got them out of the neighborhoods, so citizens could enjoy life like everyone else, without worrying about getting killed or shot.

Wow COMMANDER...I never like to turn these discussions into personal comments...but you´re living in fantasy land.

Xav, are you just figuring this out? Half his posts are tin-foil hat material.

Hahah, yea I guess...There's some stuff I can brush off and ignore, man, but to say Iraqi citizens are enjoying the good life...hmmmm...damn.

**Red_Lizard2** · 04-27-10, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by ***COMMANDER***

until a brave man with vision and the balls to spread democracy stepped up to the plate and formed a coalition of the willing.

And when was it that the reason was changed to "spread democracy?" Last i checked it started because we thought they still had WMDs (and used the veii of a U.N. resolution, which really didn't give us the right anyways, as why we could), then later it was to "free the Iraqis" then it changed later to "Protect oil fields," and to "stop terrorist."

That brave man couldn't even come up with a line to continually follow on the reason for the war, hell it wasn't even for "democracy" UNTIL they didn't FIND WMDS.

**619summon** · 04-27-10, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cleric

Originally Posted by 619summon

we cant win. you cant fight and idea. kill as many as you want the idea still lives.

but we wont leave the oil. shoot i don't wanna leave the oil I like my 17 mpg

8:00 day one. pres obama: "OK boys lets the troops out"
advisor:"sir they hold x% of the worlds oil. without it we can only count on XXX amount, think of the implications of running low"
Obama:"alllright then well worry bout that later"

If this were true summon, then Obama would be supporting the war for the same reasons that everyone condemned Bush for. But you're right, it's a paradox of interest's.

well his silence about the situation speaks for itsself. I think getting out of Iraq's will be something he will try and do right before he leaves office.

TBH, I never count on campaign promises. it like applying for a job driving an ice cream truck. but when you get there you find out you ll be flying a 757. all the promises you made about driving the ice cream truck kinda just don't make any sense once you know the facts.