Thread: War and Religion

Originally Posted by SiDRoC

To be honest, I have learned about most of those wars while in highschool.
I know that most of them certainly did have a religious base.

If your basis of knowledge on wars is high school you learned practically nothing.

Originally Posted by Arreo

Which if you knew anything about the history of the time you would realize that religion was merely an excuse for the Church to sanction a "just" war.

Europe needed an outlet for violence and territorial expansion, the Church in the 11th century was trying very hard (and succeding) to stop most of the wars that were going on in Europe. Thus there was a large population, not enough room and a bunch of warriors who were out of a job. So the Pope said "Hey, open hunting season on.... um.... those Muslims!".

Bingo, bango, problems solved. And the Church makes a shit ton of money from the indulgences they sold people and the loot that got brought back.

While I mostly agree with you on those points, you must be referring to the second crusades.
The first crusades was first and foremost a "religious cleansing".

Originally Posted by GReYVee

If your basis of knowledge on wars is high school you learned practically nothing.

Well, I just graduated this year.
I'm about to turn 18.
On sunday by the way.

Originally Posted by GoreZiad

i can look up wiki too but this just tires me out. you win, here's a goat. please boil it in its mothers milk as instructed in the bible.

Thanks for your opinion.
It's been good debating with you.

Originally Posted by SiDRoC

To be honest, I have learned about most of those wars while in highschool.
I know that most of them certainly did have a religious base.

Alright... lets examine the Troubles in Ireland shall we...Protestants vs Catholics, right?

Wrong, it's not about religion, it's about land. The Irish people didn't like the fact that English peasants were coming over and stealing their land. The fact that most of the British were Protestants and most of the Irish were Catholics actually has remarkably little to do with it....

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...and/index.html

The "troubles" have been a centuries-old dispute between England and Ireland over who controls Northern Ireland.


In 1609 British colonial settlers confiscated native-owned land in Northern Ireland and settled in Ulster with mainly Protestant British planters. There was conflict between the planters and the native Irish. The planters won the bloody ethno-religious conflicts that followed and cracked down on the political and religious freedoms of the indigenous Irish.

It boils down to land. Religion is just a useful reason that the combatants found to persecute and perpetuate the conflict.

Originally Posted by SiDRoC

Well, I just graduated this year.
I'm about to turn 18.
On sunday by the way.

Happy birthday incoming! Nice !

But yeah, I am not putting you down. Just know, you have to read if you want any understanding of wars. This shit runs deep. It gets rather convoluted. I suggest finding a war of interest and working both ways, before than after. Go from there.

Originally Posted by GoreZiad

arreo... are you atheist or religious?

He is actually the Grim Reaper.

Originally Posted by GoreZiad

i can look up wiki too but this just tires me out. you win, here's a goat. please boil it in its mothers milk as instructed in the bible.

By all means, go find wiki articles that prove me wrong. Wikipedia isn't a bad source of information, however it is often incomplete. But it is a good place to start, and then you move outward from there.

I can't remember the exact name of the meeting at which Pope Urban II ordered the first Crusade, but if I look on wiki I can see that is was the "Council of Clermont" and then I can work outward from there by searching through the citations and articles that have been written on that subject.

Wiki is often misused because people depend only on it, but that dosen't make it an invalid resource.