War and Religion

**deputyfestus** · 08-08-10, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Greed doesn't get the masses to fight. Religion is what got the masses to fight. Take away the religious reasoning for going to war, and you then don't have much of a fighting force, do you? If the religious leadership condones going to war, then that religious leadership and it's religion are complicit.

Well not in all cases don't forget Democracy and Communism the other religions.

**Arreo** · 08-08-10, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Greed doesn't get the masses to fight. Religion is what got the masses to fight. Take away the religious reasoning for going to war, and you then don't have much of a fighting force, do you? If the religious leadership condones going to war, then that religious leadership and it's religion are complicit.

Wrong. If you take away the religions reason to sell the masses into fighting then another 'reason' just gets gets made up. Like convincing your population that your enemy is sub-human (or that you are super-human). Or that taking their land is your 'historical right'. Or, or, or....

There are so many reasons that people in power can use to sell wars to the populace. Take away religion and nothing would change.

**PvtPrivate** · 08-08-10, 10:02 PM

Haters are going to hate.
I suggest Arreo and the other people stop fighting this.Your never going to change thier mind.
Haters are going to hate.

**LuckyDucky** · 08-08-10, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by PvtPrivate

Haters are going to hate.
I suggest Arreo and the other people stop fighting this.Your never going to change thier mind.
Haters are going to hate.

What?!?

**PvtPrivate** · 08-08-10, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by LuckyDucky

What?!?

Im saying that these guys are too stuck on thier "religion=evil" idea that anyone who has a fight with them is wasteing thier time

**LuckyDucky** · 08-09-10, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by PvtPrivate

Im saying that these guys are too stuck on thier "religion=evil" idea that anyone who has a fight with them is wasteing thier time

This is a discussion not a fight... and discussions are good for everyone, even if no one is able to convince anybody.

**Alundil** · 08-09-10, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Arreo

Wrong. If you take away the religions reason to sell the masses into fighting then another 'reason' just gets gets made up. Like convincing your population that your enemy is sub-human (or that you are super-human). Or that taking their land is your 'historical right'. Or, or, or....

There are so many reasons that people in power can use to sell wars to the populace. Take away religion and nothing would change.

^ This

Originally Posted by LuckyDucky

This is a discussion not a fight... and discussions are good for everyone, even if no one is able to convince anybody.

^ This

Honestly - people (most living organisms for that matter) are competitive and if left unchecked would starve out and kill off all other competitors. It happens all the time. War just happens to be Humanity's word to describe that. But in the end, war is simply one groups idea of survival and their right/desire to control something/someone else. Religion is simply a tool that gets used in some of those circumstances. Absent that, as Arreo stated, there would just be another "reason to go to war."