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08-26-10, 05:43 PM #22
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I call bs, it wasnt complicated 200 years ago. The times change you say? history repeats itself, just in different form. I am not saying its not serious, but I am saying that the people writing the law have no idea whats really going on in the world. Ask anyone in construction, the architects and engineers come up with things that sound great on paper but they just dont work in reality. What are politicians? They are the architects and engineers of govt. They are designing plans that sound great but just dont work.
IMO some of the best architects I have met, have a strong background in construction. They understand the equipment and resources that will be used to carry out their designs. They know the limitations and restrictions, and how to overcome difficulties. Architects with art backgrounds (politicians who have had their head in law books and reading court cases) come up with beautiful designs, but are disappointed when they are told its not possible, it doesnt work like that in the real world. Educated idiots, school is great and wonderful but you have to leave the ideaolcical world and go do it!
In firefighting I learned about different things that occur in the stages of fire development. You can see pictures and read pages about it, but until you see it and experience it, you dont fully grasp it. We have brilliant minds who need to go experience business before they try and regulate it.
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08-26-10, 06:13 PM #23
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No, it's the reasoning behind certain beliefs that I think are crazy.
Oh, so that makes it ok for him to equate moderate American Muslims to extremists. That's ignorance. There is already a mosque close by and Muslims can pray in the Pentagon, so I fail to see the problem. Sensitivity? How about being sensitive to the rights of other Americans, regardless of religion, and not single out a group to attack and invent a wedge issue?
I get that it was sarcasm, but the idea that the government can just sit by and do nothing? That's absurd. Even most conservatives don't feel that way. They want to cut taxes and other stuff, but they don't want to sit on their thumbs.
First off, abortion is legal right now, like it or not. It's one thing to be pro-life, it's another thing to force someone to do something they don't want to because you are morally opposed to it. Do you know why that woman chose to have an abortion? For all you know, that bill would have forced women to look at the result of their rape. That's why it's sick and violates a persons right to make their own choice.
So no convictions then?
I can kind of agree with you on this. The problem with our system, I feel, is that it is individualistic. Meaning we vote for the individual, and that gives that individual a lot of power. People who like power will seek it out, and those are also the ones easily corrupted. The Senate, for example, is insanely overpowered. It puts a ton of power into the hands of 100 people. Do we really want 100 people making decisions for 310 million?
Wow, I love irrational nationalism and revisionist history.
Her reasoning is different than Rubio's. She said, "That is why the prospect of a mosque near Ground Zero -- or a church or a synagogue or any religious or nationalistic monument or symbol -- troubles me." She gave a reason, and even though I disagree, I can respect that. Rubio said he didn't want it because they are Muslim and Muslims destroyed the WTC. I cannot respect that bigotry.
We've tried that. How do you think we got here today?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0523-02.htm
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08-26-10, 07:00 PM #24Re: The 2010 Republicans
Yes it was.
I am not saying its not serious, but I am saying that the people writing the law have no idea whats really going on in the world.
Ask anyone in construction, the architects and engineers come up with things that sound great on paper but they just dont work in reality. What are politicians? They are the architects and engineers of govt. They are designing plans that sound great but just dont work.
IMO some of the best architects I have met, have a strong background in construction. They understand the equipment and resources that will be used to carry out their designs. They know the limitations and restrictions, and how to overcome difficulties. Architects with art backgrounds (politicians who have had their head in law books and reading court cases) come up with beautiful designs, but are disappointed when they are told its not possible, it doesnt work like that in the real world.
Educated idiots, school is great and wonderful but you have to leave the ideaolcical world and go do it! In firefighting I learned about different things that occur in the stages of fire development. You can see pictures and read pages about it, but until you see it and experience it, you dont fully grasp it. We have brilliant minds who need to go experience business before they try and regulate it.
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08-26-10, 08:14 PM #27Re: The 2010 Republicans
actually there would probably be more loopholes if it was done that way. It is the same reason now contracts are about 10000000000 pages long, full or confusing statements etc. People figured out a loophole to the original contract, so they had to add in protection from that, then someone found another and another and another, so they just keep having to add more and more.
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08-26-10, 08:46 PM #28
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really? they debated and worked out what was best for the people. seems simple enough
I didnt say only blue collar workers. I did make a comment in regards to consultants post of people not wearing suits. People who have worked in the private sector and been successful. Working for govt is not real world. In the private sector you couldnt get away the same things you do in govt. Our president for example has been sucking the govt tit his entire life, I dont think thats the way our govt should be run. At one time congressmen held fulltime jobs and took leave to go serve.
I never said the education was a detriment, but the lack of education in other fields is. I have three years towards an architecture degree, I understand the education. I have seen some of the goofy shit people come up with. I can draw all kinds of things that look great and the math adds up, but trying to build it is impossible because of limitations in construction. Totally missing the example, and trying to put words in my mouth.
Again missing the example. Since you want to make that comparison, many advances in fire safety have come from fire fighters.
My boss, a mere high school graduate had GM engineers coming to him for answers on vehicles. He fixed things the engineers fucked up and they copied his fix and took it back to detroit.
You can read research and accept it, but doing it for yourself makes you fully understand. I can tell you a formal education goes a long way, but if your relying on that alone to get you somewhere your gonna fail. There is so much more to learn that you wont learn in a classroom. In my schooling, I learned more from professors that had their own firm and still did business. I learned even more getting out and building. The field I am in now, there are probably 1% of architects that have any knowledge at all. The mentality you are expressing is a typical elitist mentality. Only a doctor can make a medical breakthrough... no, you dont have to be an expert in a field to discover something better. And to my point you dont have to be a lawyer to know if a law sucks.Last edited by flame; 08-26-10 at 09:00 PM.
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08-26-10, 09:12 PM #29
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Careful here, because you are the one exhibiting an elitist mentality now. "Oh, what do lawmakers know! Only people who are blue collar/own a business really know what's going on." Pot calling the kettle black. It's not elitist to say people who study for this should do it. Is it elitist to say people who practice medicine should have a M.D., D.O., or other medical degree? I'd hope not, because I don't want any old John Doe practicing.
Politics is about negotiation and compromise. Do you really think if you fill up the House and Senate with people off the street there will be no disagreement or arguments? Do you think they will understand the intricacies of our laws? It's far more complex than you think it is.
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08-26-10, 10:35 PM #30Re: The 2010 Republicans
Who is they? The lawmakers 200 years ago? The writers of the constitution? Please be more specific. When were the laws simple?
I didnt say only blue collar workers. I did make a comment in regards to consultants post of people not wearing suits. People who have worked in the private sector and been successful. Working for govt is not real world. In the private sector you couldnt get away the same things you do in govt. Our president for example has been sucking the govt tit his entire life, I dont think thats the way our govt should be run. At one time congressmen held fulltime jobs and took leave to go serve.
I never said the education was a detriment, but the lack of education in other fields is. I have three years towards an architecture degree, I understand the education. I have seen some of the goofy shit people come up with. I can draw all kinds of things that look great and the math adds up, but trying to build it is impossible because of limitations in construction. Totally missing the example, and trying to put words in my mouth.
Again missing the example. Since you want to make that comparison, many advances in fire safety have come from fire fighters.
My boss, a mere high school graduate had GM engineers coming to him for answers on vehicles. He fixed things the engineers fucked up and they copied his fix and took it back to detroit.
You can read research and accept it, but doing it for yourself makes you fully understand. I can tell you a formal education goes a long way, but if your relying on that alone to get you somewhere your gonna fail. There is so much more to learn that you wont learn in a classroom. In my schooling, I learned more from professors that had their own firm and still did business. I learned even more getting out and building. The field I am in now, there are probably 1% of architects that have any knowledge at all. The mentality you are expressing is a typical elitist mentality. Only a doctor can make a medical breakthrough... no, you dont have to be an expert in a field to discover something better. And to my point you dont have to be a lawyer to know if a law sucks.
But no, you don't like Elites, you like regular, every day folks, like the Bush family.
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