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08-27-10, 12:03 AM #33
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Obama's "field" experience is limited to very short stints in a few law firms. Most of his time has been spent working for nonprofit groups, funded by tax dollars. I dont consider college professors as being in the field. Just more time in "education."
Just as I figured, you turn to personal attacks. Unsuccessful education, or just incomplete? I found other things more interesting. I'll get back to that when I feel its time, wasn't what I wanted to do with my life. Me work for the govt? Nope, volunteer my time yes. You think formal education makes a person higher and more qualified, That is the ignorance. Americans have been achieving great things without formal education since the beginning of the country. I've met people at both ends of the spectrum and to blindly believe that a certificate qualifies a person to do a job is foolish.
Avoiding the points, the suit thing was a joke, guess comedy is too much for such a smart educated person. Sadly you fail to see that a broader perspective makes things better. Why do you think so many professions have internships, maybe because they need to learn in the field what they couldnt learn from a text book. I cant make it any clearer, I use examples and you focus on little details trying to twist it. Sure lets give all the power to the lawyers.
We have billions of dollars being poured into industries that many of the senators have no understanding of. They vote into law so many things that they cant possibly know the implications of. Out of the 100 senators, how many of them know much about green building? Maybe enough to give it lip service, but the truth is they put 90 billion into investing in green technology. When in truth many of the green technologies out there are not green at all. Building a house out of styrofoam? Green? A green hvac system? How about technology that eliminates the need for an hvac and is cheaper than traditional.
THE POINT so you dont miss it, when you work on a project, say the United States, why should 100 lawyers be making the decisions. I would feel more comfortable, having business leaders from all sectors leading us. You need different perspectives, different experiences to get a full picture.
Oh and I liked Bush, when he said he was gonna do something he did it regardless of popularity, he made decisions based on the information in front of him and went for it. Got to admire the man for that. Did I agree with all his decisions, no. I liked the fact that his get away was working at the ranch, being from Texas and growing up in farming and ranching, I can identify with him. Perhaps I like people who get a little dirt on their hands.
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08-27-10, 12:24 AM #34
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I dont mean that we should gather random people, more we need a broader spectrum. The law needs to be for the people, not for the lawyers.
Most definitely if you put 100 people together in any form they will disagree. I just feel that the disagreements 100 representatives of the people, from the people would have a better negotiation and compromise than 100 lawyers.
People who like power will seek it out, and those are also the ones easily corrupted.
My references to business owners, they employ large groups and these large groups can be a representation of the community. If they are paying attention to their employees they understand the needs of the community thus can represent them IMO better.
From my perspective, you almost need a lawyer to go through daily life. I dont think that is the american dream, a life where govt is so over bearing that the common man cant understand govt operations and how to interact with it.
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08-27-10, 01:08 AM #35
Re: The 2010 Republicans
I just meant that most of the reasons you listed for that individual being crazy, weren't justifiable reasons to call him certifiably crazy; they were opinions and beliefs that you hold. Which is fine, but I don't necessarily think it makes that person crazy b/c you don't agree with him.
And I hope the food is good at this place I'm going to, last one I was at had a terrible dinner menu.......
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08-27-10, 08:18 AM #38Re: The 2010 Republicans
Obama was a Professor for 12 years, that's not a government job, so no, you were wrong. And why doesn't working in education "count?" You call me an Elitist, and yet you're the one who apparently gets to decide which lifestyles and careers "count?"
How did I insult you? You didn't finish your education, thus, it was unsuccessful.You were trying to show how poorly equipped an architectural degree leaves you by pointing out that your partial education didn't give you the tools to properly design structures. You're the one pulling your own educational experience into the conversation, in an attempt to pull the expert card, don't get sensitive when I address your point.
My wife is a nurse. She's a very good nurse, and she's very smart. She's worked in hospitals for a few years, and has some "real life experience." That said, I would never let her perform open heart surgery on me, because she lacks the formal education to do it. It's a very technical skill, and she lacks it.
Avoiding the points, the suit thing was a joke, guess comedy is too much for such a smart educated person. Sadly you fail to see that a broader perspective makes things better. Why do you think so many professions have internships, maybe because they need to learn in the field what they couldnt learn from a text book. I cant make it any clearer, I use examples and you focus on little details trying to twist it. Sure lets give all the power to the lawyers.
And I don't want to give all jobs to lawyers. I don't think that lawyers would make very good doctors, for example. Didn't I already say this?
We have billions of dollars being poured into industries that many of the senators have no understanding of. They vote into law so many things that they cant possibly know the implications of. Out of the 100 senators, how many of them know much about green building? Maybe enough to give it lip service, but the truth is they put 90 billion into investing in green technology. When in truth many of the green technologies out there are not green at all. Building a house out of styrofoam? Green? A green hvac system? How about technology that eliminates the need for an hvac and is cheaper than traditional.
THE POINT so you dont miss it, when you work on a project, say the United States, why should 100 lawyers be making the decisions. I would feel more comfortable, having business leaders from all sectors leading us. You need different perspectives, different experiences to get a full picture.
Oh and I liked Bush, when he said he was gonna do something he did it regardless of popularity, he made decisions based on the information in front of him and went for it. Got to admire the man for that. Did I agree with all his decisions, no. I liked the fact that his get away was working at the ranch, being from Texas and growing up in farming and ranching, I can identify with him. Perhaps I like people who get a little dirt on their hands.Last edited by WickedTribe; 08-27-10 at 08:21 AM.
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08-27-10, 09:42 AM #39
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And I disagree. There is still going to be conflict and replacing one group of people with another is not going to magically make the government more representative, nor is it going to make everyone happy. Why do you accuse others of elitism when you are doing the same?
And you assume that because they employ groups of people, that means they understand, say, international law, the conflict in the Middle East, tax law, etc.? Personally, I don't think a regular, old business owner can properly represent me. I don't think they have the skills or knowledge to tackle complex issues that take intense negogiating and compromise. What's "daily life," too? Are you the sole arbiter of who has gone through "daily life"? Why business leaders and not union leaders? I mean, the union leaders actually represent people, so they would know even better and should run the country, right?
Look, in a way, I kind of agree with you. I agree that the system is broke, but I don't think you should be setting up arbitrary rules for who does and does not have the right kind of experience to represent us. You talk down lawyers like they know nothing and talk up "regular people" as if they know everything. You're not realizing how extremely complex this is. What you really want is a group of people who you believe will agree with your views to run the government. Now there is nothing inherently wrong with that, but don't pretend you are proposing this because you think they will represent everyone better.
Like I said before, it was his reasoning for those positions, not the positions themselves, that I called crazy. But I quite clearly was speaking my opinion, too, and not saying he was clinically insane.
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08-27-10, 10:43 AM #40
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I consider a competitive market, a real job.
The problem is we need representatives taking care of the american people. I feel we have so many people seeking power that they become educated in the law so they can use it to gain power. The power should rest with the people, if a union boss(as much as I dislike unions) can represent the vast majority of the people effectively, and bears their interests, then elect him. My problem is career politicians. We need people that are out in the market places of the people they represent. How many of the people on the ballot for congress have experience in international law, tax law, the middle east? They are told by lobbyist what to think and how to vote. Many laws are written by lawyers of companies lobbying congress. It may be a round about way but thats what is running our country. I need representatives that represent the interests of Texas. Immigration, oil, ranching, and technology, are important economies in Texas. If my representative doesnt understand any of these, he's not beneficial.
International law, man that cracks me up, if we worried more about our own country we might have something.
I mean to take nothing away from lawyers, they have their place. I just want someone who better represents me and my state. I think we have made things so technical, that the average citizen has no idea whats going on and thats not right. It seems that some support making it more technical, I dont feel the federal govt needs to get as deep into issues as they do.
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