Thread: Obama administration sues Sheriff Joe

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

So then I ask...WHAT WAS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE in SB 1080?

They are not allowed to just ask anyone while doing anything wrong. Which means if your loitering in front of a store you have not been detained. That ontop of it was not required to ask every sinlge person about their immigration status where are as in this one they are. Thats the fucking difference.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Obviously you are a fucking law genious. Loitering in front a store, in most states, is an infraction, not a crime. Police officers can not arrest for misdemeanors (excluding battery, and warrents) unless they are committed in the officers present. And you can only detain someone if there is reasonable suspicious a crime is afoot.

therefore, according to SB 1080, the officers would ONLY questions the citizenship of suspects who were DETAINED for CRIMINAL activity or arrested on a warrent or felonious act.


so then....drum roll please....



what the fuck is the difference?

Heres the issue your having kraker. The prosed law that was put on hold by the courts is 1070 not 1080. Which allowed them to ask anyone doing anything that is anyway a violation. So heres the drum roll genius. Try reading it. They are not the same.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY

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OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS

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STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS

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UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,

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WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE

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PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

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PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

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C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS

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CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM

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IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE

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TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND

31 CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.

Just in case you didnt read either of them.

The Prince William ordinance was modified in 2008 amid charges that it was unconstitutional and could lead to racial profiling. In the end, rather than questioning only people they suspected of being undocumented immigrants, officers were directed to question all criminal suspects about their immigration status once an arrest was made.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Death god....omfg.....the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you think LAWFUL CONTACT is?? And do you know what reasonable suspicion is?

You really should start reading shit. Here let me make it even more simple.

Arizona
B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN

Prince William
officers were directed to question all criminal suspects about their immigration status once an arrest was made.

Does that clear up the differences between them for you?

Sheriff Joe is an asshole and megalomaniac. He deserves everything that comes his way. According to the article, he refused to turn over records requested by the government, so what did he think would happen? And he has a separate abuse of power suit? Haha.