Health care bill doesn't go far enough

**Alundil** · 10-07-10, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

McDonald's Profit Rises 12%, Spurred by Frozen Drinks - Bloomberg

Since maybe spending a little more on their cherished employees doesn't behoove them, I say boycott the fucking pigs. But maybe we should wait until they actually agree with what Nuck posted.

McDonald's Fights Back Against Report That It Will Drop Health Care Plan - ABC News

They're not dropping shit. They know the public backlash would be too great b/c sometimes kids, there are some things more important than just making more f u c k i n g money. Greedy fucks.

Well - actually, there was a decent chance that they would have dropped it. However, they (McD) and numerous other companies received waivers from the HHS in order to not have to raise coverage rates (per the Healthcare Plan) until 2014. So....they get waivers to bail them out, all so the claim that you can "keep the coverage you like" doesn't ring completely false.

And as for McD - I don't eat there for numerous other reasons.

**Consultant** · 10-07-10, 09:27 AM

McRib though......dang......that thing is TASTY!

**triggerhappy2005** · 10-07-10, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Alundil

Well - actually, there was a decent chance that they would have dropped it.

Speculation in order to lend a sense of credibility to the story.

**WickedTribe** · 10-07-10, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

How about knowing something about what your reffering to. The bill was done in 2003 which means it predates you, me, trigger, and many others from being able to discuss it on the forums when it came out.

But his point wasn't about these forums. It was about the lack of right-wing outrage in general.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-07-10, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

But his point wasn't about these forums. It was about the lack of right-wing outrage in general.

I disagree. His point to me was more where is the outrage from the people in here. The bill was debated for 6 monthes prior to approval. It was under fire in the media then. So why all of a sudden this concern over it? My opinion is because it was a bush policy and someone needed ammo because the healthcare bill has come under fire and its starting to come to light that it blows.

So someone tosses in there a little how bout this because bush did this and you didnt say anything then like it would matter if i did or not because no one here would even know about it. Trying to pull the politics card though on every single topic has definitly to me lost most if not all credence with me in here. If the whole bases of someone side is "the far right didnt bitch then so why are they bitching now?" or vice versa then you simply do not have a debate. All you have is a fall back slogan for the media.

**Alundil** · 10-07-10, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Speculation in order to lend a sense of credibility to the story.

You think so? I think that ^ is your speculation.

If it was merely speculation and there were no actual warnings from McD (and 29 others about dropping coverage, then there wouldn't have been waivers to the rules or requirements for those companies in danger of dropping coverage.

McDonald's, 29 other firms get health care coverage waivers
By Drew Armstrong, Bloomberg Business News

Nearly a million workers won't get a consumer protection in the U.S. health reform law meant to cap insurance costs because the government exempted their employers.

Thirty companies and organizations, including McDonald's (MCD) and Jack in the Box (JACK), won't be required to raise the minimum annual benefit included in low-cost health plans, which are often used to cover part-time or low-wage employees.

The Department of Health and Human Services, which provided a list of exemptions, said it granted waivers in late September so workers with such plans wouldn't lose coverage from employers who might choose instead to drop health insurance altogether.
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"The big political issue here is the president promised no one would lose the coverage they've got," says Robert Laszewski, chief executive officer of consulting company Health Policy and Strategy Associates. "Here we are a month before the election, and these companies represent 1 million people who would lose the coverage they've got."
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The plans will be exempt from rules intended to keep people from having to pay for all their care once they reach a preset coverage cap. McDonald's, which offers the programs as a way to cover part-time employees, told the Obama administration it might re-evaluate the plans unless it got a waiver.

Bold is mine - but that doesn't sound like speculation to me.