police beat down

**Kraker Jak** · 02-05-11, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

No what makes me cringe is that another cops would sit in here and act as if what these fucking clowns did has any excuse what so ever. It goes to show just how fucked up the system is. Do as i say not as i do bullshit.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that that the use of force by the police officer that kicked him in the head was unjustified. The officer was fired, as well he should have been. iDunn, I do agree with most points you make, but we go through ALOT of training to NOT get emotionally worked up, but we are human.

Get your facts straight kid before you put on your big boy pants and step up to the adult table....

**deathgodusmc** · 02-05-11, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

So, death, What law do we learn in our academy, please inlighten me, since you know. Further more, since we are all dying to know. What burden of proof do lawyers need? Do defense attorneys need to know law? Do they have a burden of proof? What about prosecutors? Where do they fit in? How about affidavidts? What burden of proof to police officers need? How do cops determain that burden of proof? Can we arrest for anything? Do we need warrents?

PLEASE all knowing mighty national guard weekend warrior....PLEASE tell me!!!

Im guessing i could enlighten you on it seeing as a police officer that obvious knows all the laws thought that showing the video was a 6th amendment rights violation. You know what makes really good evidence? How about a video of a half a dozen cops kicking the shit out of a teenager? Sure seems like a good one to me. In fact its about all he will need to destroy those stupid asses in court.

If you need to ask me about shit like burden of proof and warrants you need to get a new job. Thats basic shit that has been discussed over and over in these very forums. As for what laws you all learned in the academy how about assault? Did you learn the meaning of that one? Because it sure doesn't look like it in that video. How about mob violence or justice? Because it sure appears to me like the group involved here had a common intent to dole out justice in their own way by means of violence.

Slice it anyway you want kraker and you will still come to the same conclusion. The bretheren of the police force create their own bad apples. The only difference between now and 40 years ago is they are on tape due to the availablity of video recording equipment. Times change and they better smarten up and realise they are not hiding in a corner anymore. This shit happens far to often for it to be a couple of bad cops. What we have here is a superiority complex running rampet through the police force.

**deathgodusmc** · 02-05-11, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Get your facts straight kid before you put on your big boy pants and step up to the adult table....

Keep that kid shit for someone you might be older then. You give credence to one being fired over this what about the others? They are just as guilty. I set this table son.

**Kraker Jak** · 02-05-11, 04:51 PM

Assault? Well, here we call it battery, we do not have an assault statute in Indiana....

But if you must know, IC 35-42-2-1 states that Battery is defined as A person who knowingly or intentionally touches another person in a rude, insolent, or angry manner commits battery, which is a Class B misdemeanor. However the offense can be enhanced to an A misdemeanor if it results in bodily injury, is committed agains a law enforcement officer, and a few others...

It would be a D felony if it results in bodily injury to an officer....and a WHOLE fuck load of other circumstances.

What you fail to realize is us officer HAAAVE to know this stuff, this is what we base our "PROBABLE CAUSE!!!!" off of. (thats the burden of proof we need to arrest someone) "But Kraker! Police officers can not arrest for misdemeanors without a warrent unless is was committed in thier presence!" yelled Deathgod, because he knows everything.

Very true death, but there are a few exceptions to the rule, such as DUI's, Domestic battery, and...drum roll please....battery. "But Kraker, how do you get a warrent if you didnt see the crime?" Again, excellent question death god. You see, the lazy, no good for nothing, dont know shit police officers that you claim us to be, have to carefully listen to all the parties involved, take into account the totality of the circumstances, and any physical evidence present in order to formally make the arrest. "but what if its he said she said, thats not beyond a reasonable doubt!" exclaimed deathgod from across the room.

Very true again death, it is not beyond a reasonable doubt. Thats why we go off of "PROBABLE CAUSE!!" (echo deep voice) which basically means, it more likely than not happend this way.

Thank you for listening

**Kraker Jak** · 02-05-11, 04:53 PM

no what are we actually arguing here...We both agree the officers were in the wrong....

I have lost what this thread is about...time to go play some battlefield...lata ho's

**BigHub** · 02-06-11, 02:06 AM

Dude.... HPD needs to hire Anderson Silva, he'd fit in perfectly. Maybe even help them on their kicks.

**Truth86** · 02-06-11, 02:47 AM

Dang I just read this whole thing! (You guys make things real personal lol). Right now Im a Criminal Justice major at UNT and I took ethics.... this definitely looks like a reason for those cops to lose there jobs. This is more than just fucking one's job up, it's more like... idk if you purposley shredded important documents because you got pissed. But just like the kid, the cops deserve their to tell their story in court.
Also if people think this was "real justice" and the correct punishment, then the kid should not have anymore punishment against him in court because that would seem to make it excessive.
(oh... and go Anderson Silva lol)