Thread: Another voice comes out on the Iraq WMDs

I had no intention of making jabs at intellect, so I apologize if that's how my post came across (the only intentional jabs I made were in regard that that other topic, part in jest and part in noting (imo of course) the fundamental differences of said comparisons in both topics. after all, things would be boring otherwise, right? ).

My truck repair analogy was merely a gross oversimplification to try and get my perspective across in regard to the meddling comparisons. (my "meddling A (war)" analogy involved the stealing and such, with regard to the meddling via war, whereas my "meddling B (humanitarian)" analogy involved the distribution of resources, with regard to meddling via providing meds/food so per parts of your reply in regard to my analogies, you may consider a re-read of my analogies )

<insert obligatory "pogue" remark, in homage to hawg> (did I miss something? now that I think about it, I haven't noticed any hawg posts in a good while )


oh, and it wasn't my nephew, it was my friend's nephew...either way, its still an unfortunate loss (and all the others for that matter).

Originally Posted by Pint

It was a known falsehood after the invasion, the goose was already cooked. Lets say you had control of the military as president or the top general, now your a year in 6 months in, the invasion is done there is no more standing troops, engagements are small elements doing guerrilla hit and runs. You then find out that the info was wrong and there is no WMD and the source was a lie. New fact though, folks from other countries are coming in and blowing up places of religious warship, civil war may break out as a result, talk from some groups is of eradicating the other groups. This is the situation you find your self in at the time I mention and with the conditions I mention.

Do you,

a) stay and rebuild the infrastructure that just got done getting blown up/looted/destroyed/sabotaged
b) say well we did it on false pretenses, best of luck Iraq sorry for the trouble and just leave.
c) help from afar with....food shipments, advice, phone calls ect.
d) "I have my own answer that is not one of these three."

PoB

correct, it was a known falsehood after the fact...I admit my comment you quoted was meant to be somewhat incendiary for debate's sake in regard to our "provocation" to justify invading Iraq during my volley with DG (but the question also remains is why did we not verify said sources before invading, considering that that was partly how it was "sold" to the American people).

So yes, the goose has been cooked, we made a mess and personally I think we should clean up our mess , so-to-speak (just as I would feel like I would need to clean up a mess I make at a friend's house...again, another gross oversimplification)...so A is my final answer...actually, A, C, and D...except that in regard to D I have no definitive answer or solution, nor do I think anyone else does, thus just a sliver of the pickle we've been put in...plus I guess C is somewhat inclusive in regards to A.

Originally Posted by nmeboat

I had no intention of making jabs at intellect, so I apologize if that's how my post came across (the only intentional jabs I made were in regard that that other topic, part in jest and part in noting (imo of course) the fundamental differences of said comparisons in both topics. after all, things would be boring otherwise, right? ).

My truck repair analogy was merely a gross oversimplification to try and get my perspective across in regard to the meddling comparisons. (my "meddling A (war)" analogy involved the stealing and such, with regard to the meddling via war, whereas my "meddling B (humanitarian)" analogy involved the distribution of resources, with regard to meddling via providing meds/food so per parts of your reply in regard to my analogies, you may consider a re-read of my analogies )

<insert obligatory "pogue" remark, in homage to hawg> (did I miss something? now that I think about it, I haven't noticed any hawg posts in a good while )


oh, and it wasn't my nephew, it was my friend's nephew...either way, its still an unfortunate loss (and all the others for that matter).

My mistake i apoligise for the inteligence remark. After rereading it i see it was my misread that gave me the impression.

Originally Posted by nmeboat

correct, it was a known falsehood after the fact...I admit my comment you quoted was meant to be somewhat incendiary for debate's sake in regard to our "provocation" to justify invading Iraq during my volley with DG (but the question also remains is why did we not verify said sources before invading, considering that that was partly how it was "sold" to the American people).

So yes, the goose has been cooked, we made a mess and personally I think we should clean up our mess , so-to-speak (just as I would feel like I would need to clean up a mess I make at a friend's house...again, another gross oversimplification)...so A is my final answer...actually, A, C, and D...except that in regard to D I have no definitive answer or solution, nor do I think anyone else does, thus just a sliver of the pickle we've been put in...plus I guess C is somewhat inclusive in regards to A.

We thought we did validate the facts prior to invading. The informant was only the last person to say something about it so we had no reason to doubt the information recieved.