Can humans be trusted...

**Alundil** · 02-21-11, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Actual attendance per class is close to 50 people, but I'm sure you have a lot of experience with the subject that you gained as a pogue.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Well, you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, so yes?

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Would rather have me call him a non-front line soldier? It still wouldn't change the fact that he didn't know what he was talking about. And contributing to my country? I'll be teaching future generations of engineers and scientists how physics works, which in turn helps to improve countless industries and the economy. So, you're off there.

I respect soldiers who serve in war. But like hell I'm going to respect someone who hasn't had to face death. I respect those who have faced death because I have faced death myself on multiple occasions. Saying that a pogue is the same as a frontline soldier is like saying that an arm wrestler is the same as a UFC fighter.

Seriously white? Are you fucking kidding with this bullshit?

**triggerhappy2005** · 02-21-11, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Alundil

Seriously white? Are you fucking kidding with this bullshit?

You're beating a dead horse Alundil. Dex squashed this shit 2 pages ago. We've moved on.

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-21-11, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Money plays a huge a factor as well (though technically that ties into ignorance as well). In my experience a lot of healthy food the initial cost is high, but it ends up cheaper in the long run over a couple burgers from McD. For example, depending on what you put in and produce costs, it could be 6 dollars to make a salad for lunch, or a couple bucks to get lunch at McD. The 2nd sounds much cheaper, but the stuff you buy for the salad you can use over again, making it likely the same price or cheaper to make, say 3 salads, then eat McD 3 times.

For some people though the initial cost is hard to make on a shoestring budget, so they go eat crap food because it's cheap. I know, personally, I eat more TV dinners and Ramen then I do healthy things like salad, bread, etc. because its quicker and cheaper (in the short term) for the 1st two (plus spoilage kills the life of more expensive things).

Obviously there are plenty of people who can afford to eat healthy, that choose not to (When i have a fair bit of cash, I'm also in that category), but its hard to think of a way you can really get those people to change their habits, outside of major medical complications happening to them.

There are plenty of things you can make ahead of time like when you're doing something like laundry or HW. Then, later in the week, you don't have to do any cooking or drive anywhere. You get something homecooked that tastes great

**Alundil** · 02-21-11, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

You're beating a dead horse Alundil. Dex squashed this shit 2 pages ago. We've moved on.

Perhaps it's a dead horse. But two pages ago was merely an hour and a half prior to my post. Personally, I think it was bullshit and a stupid argument to even bring up. And from a mod of this forum no less, to another mod. Fucking ridiculous. Off topic and knuckle-dragging rude.

So whether it is dead or not, I said what I said and meant it.

As for the OP....No. Humans can not, in general, be trusted. On an individual basis trust is possible but it's very circumstantial and situational at best. In general terms, group trust is naive to hope for. Mob mentality, in the end, runs almost every facet of large groups and therefore the only people that give/receive trust are the members of that mob/group. To everyone else outside the group, there is no trust of the group due to differences of opinion, values, societal norms, etc.

**Talkos** · 02-21-11, 04:13 PM

I believe humans, in general, can be trusted to choose, if possible, what they believe will bring themselves the most benefit. Of course, what will bring me the most benefit is not necessarily what will bring you the most benefit, or even what you may think would bring me the most benefit. For example, I think that I will have quite a happy result from eating a bowl of icecream, or perhaps a bacon, bacon, and bacon sandwich(BLT, but without the LT and extra B), and skipping on my greens. You could say that it is not most beneficial to me due to health reasons, but perhaps to me health reasons are a lower priority than that creamy, delicious icecream in my belly.

As for the Wal-Mart example, it could well be that someone sees benefit in boycotting it due to it being "evil." I see benefit by getting some of my wants fulfilled at bargain prices.

**flame** · 02-21-11, 05:04 PM

Snacks! Talkos will die from snacks! But he will be happy, because he chose right for him and his belly.

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-21-11, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Talkos

I believe humans, in general, can be trusted to choose, if possible, what they believe will bring themselves the most benefit. Of course, what will bring me the most benefit is not necessarily what will bring you the most benefit, or even what you may think would bring me the most benefit. For example, I think that I will have quite a happy result from eating a bowl of icecream, or perhaps a bacon, bacon, and bacon sandwich(BLT, but without the LT and extra B), and skipping on my greens. You could say that it is not most beneficial to me due to health reasons, but perhaps to me health reasons are a lower priority than that creamy, delicious icecream in my belly.

As for the Wal-Mart example, it could well be that someone sees benefit in boycotting it due to it being "evil." I see benefit by getting some of my wants fulfilled at bargain prices.

There actually studies that show that your local grocery store, when combined with coupons, is less expensive than Walmart. Combine that with sales and the internet and you never really need Walmart.

**Fovezer** · 02-21-11, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

There actually studies that show that your local grocery store, when combined with coupons, is less expensive than Walmart. Combine that with sales and the internet and you never really need Walmart.

And those are some of the reasons, along with the bad effects they have on communities and how they treat their workers, that I have only stepped in Walmart like twice my whole life.

**deathgodusmc** · 02-21-11, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

There actually studies that show that your local grocery store, when combined with coupons, is less expensive than Walmart. Combine that with sales and the internet and you never really need Walmart.

That would e tru if walmart didn't honor coupons as well. Personally id dont shop at walmart but i can say walmart is cheaper overall then most grocery stores. Of course there will always be the individual items that are cheaper somewhere else but then you run into the whole price matching thing. So it comes down to how big a douche you want to look like to the asshole in line behind you.

**deathgodusmc** · 02-21-11, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

And those are some of the reasons, along with the bad effects they have on communities and how they treat their workers, that I have only stepped in Walmart like twice my whole life.

Lary the cable guy has the right perspective on walmart. Sure it sucks to shop at but man can you get some good laughs. Just for the record lary's stories about the walmart he shops at are absolutely true. He lives about 10 minutes from me and went to the same high school. Every once in a while i go over and walk around it because its funny as hell to look at the people in there.