Thread: israels gonna have to do something fast

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Let Israel invade and the people will unite against them. There will be a blood path. That sure sounds like a good option. Why can't you see that if Israel stops letting itself be controlled by fundamentalists, Hamas will have less control since they won't have as much political ammunition.

LOL you have to know more about it then this. The people will unite against israel? And do what? stand in front of the tanks rolling down every street? Or should i say the people left alive after the bomb runs stand in front of the tanks rolling down every street? Palestine is no match for the israeli army and thats reality. You can talk politics all you want because they have been for what 50 years now? Hamas doesn't want israel to stop they want them off the face of the planet. Do you see why the war has continued as long as it has?

What some people like to call us meddleing in other countries afairs has kept about 1.5 million palestinians alive.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Nope not an opinion at all. Thats why the blockade went up to begin with.

It is your opinion that it would be worse without a blockade. You do not know what would have happened had there been no blockade. All speculation is, by definition, opinion.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Hamas has elected themselves to power over and over. The gaza citezens had very little to do with that.

That is so completely and utterly wrong it's baffling. Do you know anything about the recent history of that region? Here: Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That's the last election. How can they keep electing themselves over and over if there has only been one election recently? The only way for Hamas to win was to receive more votes. So, yes, they did have something to do with it. But this is still irrelevant to my point that Hamas exists as a symptom of the problems in that area, which are caused largely by Israeli actions.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

It is your opinion that it would be worse without a blockade. You do not know what would have happened had there been no blockade. All speculation is, by definition, opinion.



That is so completely and utterly wrong it's baffling. Do you know anything about the recent history of that region? Here: Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That's the last election. How can they keep electing themselves over and over if there has only been one election recently? The only way for Hamas to win was to receive more votes. So, yes, they did have something to do with it. But this is still irrelevant to my point that Hamas exists as a symptom of the problems in that area, which are caused largely by Israeli actions.

No it isnt my opinion. Like i said before the blockade went up to stop the flow up weapons into the area. Opening the trade route would allow those weapons back in. Thats reality fov and you damn well know it.

Do you really think there is a difference between electing yourself one time and keeping power the rest of the time? Hamas is a terrorists organisation. Its not a symptom of the problem they are a problem all by themselves. Israel caused the problem? How is that? The UN put them there and it has been an issue since. Then they return fire after being fired on. Granted in many cases they over kill the return but they have said for many years now that if you launch a rocket at us we will return fire with a tank battalion. That hardly makes them the problem.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

No it isnt my opinion. Like i said before the blockade went up to stop the flow up weapons into the area. Opening the trade route would allow those weapons back in. Thats reality fov and you damn well know it.

Source? Look, you are the one that complained about opinion and taking sides. Now here you are stating your opinion on a hypothetical situation. Thanks for proving my point that you cannot discuss politics without an opinion.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Do you really think there is a difference between electing yourself one time and keeping power the rest of the time? Hamas is a terrorists organisation. Its not a symptom of the problem they are a problem all by themselves. Israel caused the problem? How is that? The UN put them there and it has been an issue since. Then they return fire after being fired on. Granted in many cases they over kill the return but they have said for many years now that if you launch a rocket at us we will return fire with a tank battalion. That hardly makes them the problem.

How did they elect themselves? The Palestinian people VOTED for them. They were elected by the people. And how did Israel cause the problem? Really? I mean, I'm sure the Palestinians loved the Israelis stealing their land. The occupation by Israeli troops. The Jewish settlements encroaching into Palestine, forcing Palestinians to leave. You know, the ones that are illegal under international law. The indiscriminate bombing of Palestinian civilians. The blockade. If you force someone into a corner, and keep poking and provoking them, they are going to eventually snap at you. You aren't going to fix anything by doubling down and cracking down on Palestinians even more. Extremists rise to power because they are able to take advantage of the wrongs being committed against the people and exploit them to their advantage. If you take away those wrongs, it gives the extremists less to use as leverage and more moderate parties will emerge. Do you really think Israel going in and massacring Hamas will make a difference? Don't be that naive, all that will happen is even more extreme extremists will emerge.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Source? Look, you are the one that complained about opinion and taking sides. Now here you are stating your opinion on a hypothetical situation. Thanks for proving my point that you cannot discuss politics without an opinion.

We went thru all that shit before in i believe the flotilla thread. If you cant remember it thats not my issue.

Originally Posted by Bane

*shrugs* the land belongs to Israel. They shouldn't have to partition and divide their land just to appease a "Palestinian government". The land historically belonged to Israel and it's a fraction of the land that they originally were in possession of. They should stand strong.

That is such bullshit. The Israelites haven't controlled that land since 586BC. Do you also support giving the land of the United States back to the Native Americans? I mean, historically, it belongs to them! Oh, how I love the smell of hypocrisy! Just because one group of people owned something thousands of years ago does not give their descendents an automatic right to it. The current Israel is nothing but a UN mandate, which arbitrarily took people's land and gave it to the new state of Israel. Even then, the mandate called for two states, a Jewish and Arab one. But no, once Zionists began getting power, they decided they wanted all of Palestine, and they have been stealing land and murdering Palestinians ever since.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

How is the land historically theirs if they lost it even according to the bible (see Roman empire)? I mean, if you're going to use that collection of books as "evidence" at least read it first.

I know your to trying to suggest a fictional book as your evidence.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

That is such bullshit. The Israelites haven't controlled that land since 586BC. Do you also support giving the land of the United States back to the Native Americans? I mean, historically, it belongs to them! Oh, how I love the smell of hypocrisy! Just because one group of people owned something thousands of years ago does not give their descendents an automatic right to it. The current Israel is nothing but a UN mandate, which arbitrarily took people's land and gave it to the new state of Israel. Even then, the mandate called for two states, a Jewish and Arab one. But no, once Zionists began getting power, they decided they wanted all of Palestine, and they have been stealing land and murdering Palestinians ever since.

The your issue is with the United Nations not Israel. So we are all to blame for the issue at hand. Lets not get into saying who is commiting acts of murder.