Thread: israels gonna have to do something fast

That hit him so hard, knocked him plum off the website in a spot light, speechless. :}

Originally Posted by Bane

Although the land does belong to them according to the bible, the land they have possession of is a fraction of what they once owned. Yes they lost their land due to their disobedience to God, but at the same time it was prophecied that they would regain their land. How about you read the bible?

I'm talking about the Israel's reformation in 1948 and the land appointed to them. What's the point of giving them land if you're just going to take it back from them? From your standpoint, it's like oh we gave the US land that belonged to the native americans and if they raise enough fuss about them wanting their land back we'll give it back to them. Really? It's just a sliver of land over there in the middle east. With the Muslim control over pretty much all the land surrounding Israel, where is the problem?

The UN Resolution that established a Jewish state also set aside land for an Arab state. The problem is that the Israeli government has been stealing the land allotted for the Arab state. The are willingly violating international law with the settlements on Palestinian land. If it's "just a sliver of land", why can't Israel play nice and agree to a two-state solution based on 1967 borders? Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Bane

Whoa there calm down. Notice how I gave both a biblical reason why Israel deserves the land as well as a real world example. You need to get off your high horse and perhaps read. Now, who cares about a prophecy made by a non-existent God? How about the prophecy made by a non-existent god that the Islamic world is following? You think they play by our rules? Think again. The whole conflict in the middle east is based on a "religious" disagreement. If anything why should the "religious" people in the middle east care about a small sliver of land?

Muslims aren't saying it is their land by writ of some mythological book,(like Israel), they are claiming that land because up until 1948 their ancestors actually occupied the actual buildings/lands that Israelis now occupy. You are correct in one part, this conflict most certainly is about religion, the incitement comes from extremist Jewish zionists....

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I honestly don't acknowledge even the legitimacy of Israel. The biggest superpowers of the world decided something, pushed it through the UN to give it "legitmacy", and called it legal. The Israelis had no right to that land outside of biblical prophecy. It's too late to undue that, so we're stuck with the current situation. That being said, ignoring the illegal land snatch that occured, what you said still applies. And again, we will have the United States strong arming the rest of the world into letting it be. It is disgusting and an abuse of power.

I agree that the UN had no right to take land from people that did nothing wrong and give it over to foreigners because a third party committed heinous acts against them. However, like you said, we really can't just "undo" that Resolution at this point. So what can you do? Well, a good start would be to at least hold to that Resolution and create a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, at the latest. Ever since Israel has come into existence, we've looked the other way while they break international law and ignored all of their human rights' abuses while supplying them with weapons. Hell, we veto any Resolution now that is in any way critical of Israel now. It has to stop and Palestinians have to be given the opportunity to be free from oppression. If Israel won't recognize Palestine, why should I recognize Israel?

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

The slavery of the Hebrews by the Egyptians for one. Then, there's the rule of Jerusalem by the Romans. There's also significant evidence in multiple mythologies and in terms of geological evidence of the flood that had to do with Noah. Whether or not a Noah actually existed who built a giant ship full of animals is up for debate, but that a major flood happened is widely accepted by historians. I've actually studied these things in an academic setting. If you really want to know more, there is probably a good course on ancient civilizations/history that would cover this for you.

13 And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour:
14 And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.
15:31 Pray that I may be rescued from the unbelievers in Judea and that my service in Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints there,

Thats your proof of historical accuracy? No mention of a date in time or the word slavery, Maybe thats one of the reasons those in the profession can not say it proves or disproves anything.

"Flood geology (also creation geology or diluvial geology) is the interpretation of the geological history of the Earth in terms of the global flood described in Genesis 6–9. Similar views played a part in the early development of the science of geology, even after the Biblical chronology had been rejected by geologists in favour of an ancient Earth. Modern flood geologists, who are almost always Young Earth creationists,[1][2] regard the historicity of the bible as unimpeachable.
Flood geology contradicts the scientific consensus in geology, physics, chemistry, molecular genetics, evolutionary biology, archaeology, and paleontology, and the scientific community considers the subject to be pseudoscience."
Flood geology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Epic's Note: Just about every major point of the Noah's ark story is in stark contrast with the observable world and science as we know it. A world wide flood would leave massive amounts of geological evidence behind; and it just doesn't exist."
Noah's Flood - What does the Evidence Say?
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Conclusion
The young-earth flood model falls flat on its face when compared to the rock record. There is no global, geological evidence for a flood, nor can the young-earth model explain animal survival when there was no food supply, animal distribution ranges, nor dinosaurs which survived the first forty days of the flood."
Did Noah's Flood Really Happen?
"We found that indeed a flood happened around that time. From core samples, we see that a flood broke through the natural barrier separating the Mediterranean Sea and the freshwater Black Sea, bringing with it seashells that only grow in a marine environment. There was no doubt that it was a fast flood -- one that covered an expanse four times the size of Israel. It might not have been Noah, as it is written in the Bible, but we believe people in that region had to build boats in order to save their animals from drowning. We think that the ones who survived were fishermen -- they already had the boats."
Marine Team Finds Surprising Evidence Supporting A Great Biblical Flood

Im sorry to tell you but there is no debate over a biblical global flood as the bible suggests. Nor is there a big debate about noahs ark outside of the church. Like i said its all in what you want to see just like nostridamis. I have no issue with people wanting to believe and wouldn't take that from them but dont try to pass any of it off as a fact because it isnt.

Lets not even get into the whole thing about the animals on the ark. You really think they could build a ship during that time period that could hold 2 of every species on the planet? Much less the food it would take to feed them all for 40 days and 40 nights without them eating each other.

Your going to have to do better then that white.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Muslims aren't saying it is their land by writ of some mythological book,(like Israel), they are claiming that land because up until 1948 their ancestors actually occupied the actual buildings/lands that Israelis now occupy. You are correct in one part, this conflict most certainly is about religion, the incitement comes from extremist Jewish zionists....

But going by the arguement being used its not their any more so why should they give it back?