Police Harass, Threaten to Shoot legally open-carrying Philly man

**DJ Ms. White** · 05-23-11, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Nuckle

Horribly thought process, just horrible. What if I am on my way to close a deal that will pay me $10,000 in commission and by being late to it my client made the decision to use a competitor? Should I plan to arrive 30 minutes early on every visit to allow for jerk off time with the local PD?

If I am speeding, swerving or texting while driving then that is on me. If I am doing nothing then the idiot cop just cost me a pile of money. That is an absolute real world possibility. The police have no business stopping me if I have not violated the law, period. It is already abused bad enough, we would all be for the worse if it was allowed.

Water patrol / marine police seem to violate this law more than any of the others.

You'd like the Great Lakes. Never had to deal cops/Coast Guard out there during the decade I spent on those waters. You don't really even need a passport to go back and forth between the States and Canada if you're sailing. No one would bother to ask. They don't do stops or inspections at docks/harbors. They just care that you pay your gas/electricity bill before you go.

**Langrad** · 05-24-11, 03:30 AM

I have never personally ran into a roadblock, (Living in Austin), is it right to assume they are set up late, around 10PM or so? How many people set up $10,000 business deals that late at night? Do they stop a car for 30 minutes or is it pulling over, doing a breathalizer/walking a line and your on your way? It seems like a small hassle. They definitely need to have stricter laws concerning DWI.

**ninja|oaklandr** · 05-24-11, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

There most certainly is a search. A search isn't limited to your house or your car. This is where they are searching your person and most likely your vehicle while they are standing there. In order to stop someone you must have probable cause. In this case no probable cause is evidant anywhere prior to the stop. For the record i didn't pick the 4th amendment on this the supreme court did.

According to the 4th Amendment you don't need probable cause if the stop is considered reasonable. An unfortunately for us the Supreme Court decided that sobriety checkpoints are reasonable.

Michigan Dept. of State Police v. Sitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We need something to stop all the drunks here in San Antonio, but this is not it. It's scary driving on the road after 1AM. Between wrong way drivers and drunks.

**Nuckle** · 05-24-11, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Langrad

I have never personally ran into a roadblock, (Living in Austin), is it right to assume they are set up late, around 10PM or so? How many people set up $10,000 business deals that late at night? Do they stop a car for 30 minutes or is it pulling over, doing a breathalizer/walking a line and your on your way? It seems like a small hassle. They definitely need to have stricter laws concerning DWI.

I though we were talking about stops in general, not just DUI check points. The topic has examples of where LEO's are making contact with people that are operating within their rights and not breaking any type of law.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-24-11, 10:41 AM

They have here on several occasions set up registration check points.

**Red_Lizard2** · 05-24-11, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Consultant

Right, because taxis are so rare...

...wait, what?

There aren't many you see around here, and the cab companies that are around are pretty shitty.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-24-11, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

There aren't many you see around here, and the cab companies that are around are pretty shitty.

A ride in a shitty cab is still better then jail or dead.

**Red_Lizard2** · 05-24-11, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

A ride in a shitty cab is still better then jail or dead.

then explain why people don't take cabs? Obviously if cabs were some amazing option, there would be more of them around and less people driving drunk.

**WickedTribe** · 05-24-11, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

then explain why people don't take cabs? Obviously if cabs were some amazing option, there would be more of them around and less people driving drunk.

Can you ride a horse drunk? I think that that would be a pretty superb solution.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-24-11, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

then explain why people don't take cabs? Obviously if cabs were some amazing option, there would be more of them around and less people driving drunk.

Im sorry but where did you see anyone say how glorious it is to ride in a cab? Your also barking up the wrong tree. I spent most of my life in big cities and cabs are everywhere. However if you need me to explain how alcohol can make people make the wrong decision then maybe you haven't been paying attention to the working of alcohol and its consumption.

I can tell you where i see a fail in the idea of taking a cab home from a bar. Its not sitting out front when you wake up so you can get back to your car. Plus there is a stigma attached to people that get drunk and take cabs home. Its stupid because they made the right call but its still there.