Thread: I never thought i say the KKK did something right

Originally Posted by CivilWars

First, when did I profess to know what God's plans and will are? I don't seem to recall it, but maybe I forgot.

Saying the WBB is wrong is a judgement. I am assuming you feel confident that they are wrong because you think your insight into gods mind is clearer then theirs. If this is not so then you can not say they are wrong, at most you could say "maybe" and "I don't know". In reading your post I still can't see how you differentiate between your self and a WBB, again they claim that they do not judge, but god does, that portion of your post could be said verbatim by them and no one would notice a difference.

The term Christian literally means follower of Christ, so if I, or anyone else, believes that the stories about Christ from the Bible are true, and want to take on the title of Christian, then we need to follow what He did, and what He taught.

Great. Jesus said not one word against homosexuality. He had no preachment's on this topic, we know for certain that homosexuality wasn't invented in the 60's but has been documented since the written word has been recorded. He was well enough read to quote the golden rule as said by a long dead Babylonian Rabbi, so he could not of been ignorant of its existence. So being a Christian can't the conversation go like this,

Can gays get married?

Well I don't judge, and I pray that Jesus will forgive what ever sins anyone commits including mine. Jesus did not say anything against homosexuality....so it can go either way. So I guess I would need more information.

Fair enough. Everything points to homosexuality being a condition of birth. Not a choice. That people who are born gay and attempt to pass or are forced to pass or have some social pressure on them to act in a non gay fashion have high incidences of drug use, suicide and other types of behavior. While homosexuals who aren't treated as such tend to be no more or less at risk then the rest of the population. Acceptance and love seem to be a real help for these people.

Well acceptance and love is what Christianity is all about....Well of course! Acceptance and love help them because Jesus said it would! He never did say he died for only some sins or certain sins or a specific amount of sin.....Well on reflection of your request I can't see how I could be against homosexuals getting a right of marriage. If it turns out that Jesus does not think it a condition that needs redemption then all the better. If it turns out that he does judge poorly on these people I will pray on the behalf of the ones who I have met and known to have character and love and Christian virtue so that He will admit them.

This would be a sure fire way to be able to tell the difference between a WBB and someone who does not wish the comparison.

Why is this not the case? Or are gays made in the image of god only long enough for god to issue the defective recall on their faggot souls? Why in the end does this wish of theirs always hit a wall made of bibles if its such a damn tolerant loving non judgmental religion like your selling it as? Absolute crap. Shameless lack of intellectual honesty is the only way to defend this position.

You could of shut me up after my first post by saying, don't stereotype me as anti-gay I do want them to be able to be married. Until that I will continue arguing that the difference between the WBB and any mainstream Christian is a matter of volume and tact not a difference of theology.

A long while ago you asked me, not directly but in a post in response to something I said, why do people attack Christianity so much nowadays. Were sick that even when a religious person is backed into a corner on a morale argument you throw up your hands and say, nope religion of love! That wasn't me! Been on your side the whole time! This will no longer work as a defense, a taboo against chasing the discussion all the way to the bible and expecting people to stop will no longer work, either defend your position on terms applicable to all citizens regardless of faith or the lack of or be called down for your beliefs.

I'll make a prediction, Christians 50 years from now will be arguing that it was Christian love that won out and allowed homosexuals into the fold of full citizenship. Just like is being done today, in text books no fucking less, with woman's suffrage and slavery and the civil rights movement. Ask Dr. MLK how outnumbered he was, recall that senators, not some fringe crazy living in a shack eating cat food, said "I'd like to help the negro's, but my bible says I can't" Get your boat ready brotha its gunna rain.

Go check my posts, I have never opposed gay marriage, so how does that fit in your stereotype? My personal opinion is if Christians, or anyone for that matter, are concerned about the sanctity of marriage then they should hold marriage sacred, and not have a comparable divorce rate to "non-believers". Like I told some co-workers long ago, "If 'believers' spent more time focusing on their belief and leader, and less time focusing on all the wrongs their neighbors are doing, then maybe people wouldn't feel like you do."

If that is not a stance you have take then I apologize for suggesting it is. I do recall getting you and Consultant arguing against it to some degree perhaps two years ago? I can quote what Consultant said from memory (it rankled me) I recalled that you agreed with him on it. It went like this, "It's not that I am against homosexual marriage, I just think we have more important things to worry about" I think it could be the fastest written law in the history of our legislature.

Marriage is to be defined as a legal right between two consenting adults of legal age.

Then congress can take an early lunch.

Originally Posted by Pint

Great. Jesus said not one word against homosexuality. He had no preachment's on this topic, we know for certain that homosexuality wasn't invented in the 60's but has been documented since the written word has been recorded.

Pint:
Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Jesus was present at creation.